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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 178
Today's Topics:
Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Re: [B7L] Uncut "Rescue"
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
[B7L] Jackie Pearce in Edinburgh Fringe
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
[B7L] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy
[B7L] Re: Women we like
[B7L] Re: Traves
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
Re: [B7L] Of Grants, Cops, Tangos and Valium (in no particular order)
Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
Re: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
Re: [B7L] Allan Prior
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy
Re: [B7L] Fav episodes
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
[B7L] Re: favourite episodes
Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
[B7L] Re: Prior
Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
[B7L] Blake's 7/Randall & Hopkirk 2000 Fiction
Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
Re: [B7L] Re: Prior
Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:55:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, minnie@picknowl.com.au
Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
Message-Id: <200006271355.HAA29301@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
Responding to me moaning about that B7/DS9 crossover thing, Minnie wrote:
> >But, damn it, the problem is I can't write plot to save my life...
> >
>
>
> <VBEG> what do you need. Im sure there are people out there apart from me
> that want to see this story happen. Need a hand??? <G>
Well, I need a plot that gets Garak onto the Liberator, allows
everybody to show off just how devious/amoral/sneaky/really cooly
anti-heroic they can be, and requires Garak to use his interrogation
skills at some point (preferably where Avon can see). If you happen to
have one of those lying around... :)
Hmm. Wait a moment. I think I'm beginning to get the vaguest
glimmerings of something remotely like an idea. Hmm...
Well, OK, now all I need is a way to get from vague glimmerings to a
plot. Also time. And energy. And to finish my current project(s).
And to watch a bunch more DS9 videos for reference. :)
--
Betty Ragan ** bragan@nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan
Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
"Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a
tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:05:08 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Betty Ragan" <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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>Betty Ragan wrote
>Oh, gawd. [Buries head in hands] I may just *have* to write this, if
>only because I can't get out of my mind the idea of Garak giving Avon
>fashion advice. (Or the *interesting* tension that would surely
>result if Avon ever found out just what Garak used to do for a
>living. Or Garak's reaction to finally finding people as amoral as
>he is...)
>
>But, damn it, the problem is I can't write plot to save my life...
>
<VBEG> what do you need. Im sure there are people out there apart from me
that want to see this story happen. Need a hand??? <G>
Min. xxx
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:23:23 CEST
From: "Jurgen van de Sanden" <blakes7@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Uncut "Rescue"
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These are the things that are missing on the B7 videos released by the BBC
and Fabulous:
- Dorian walking away smiling after Avon says "No problem."
- the beginning of Scorpio's descend on the launch pad
- Soolin setting out the glasses on the tray
- The silence before Dorian's line "You really are most welcome here, my
friends."
- Soolin climbing up the stairs at the end
Does anybody know of any more cuts that were made?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:44:51 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>,
"Lysator" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Gnog wrote:
>
>What to do if Blake actually wins is a very tricky question. Blake needs to
>convince himself that what he is trying to overthrow is SOOOOO bad that
>replacing it with something would actually result in change for the better.
>Perhaps it was a cultural thing. Self rule over central rule. Free trade
>over managed distribution. Entrepenuership over regulation. Small armies
>beating each other up over large armies beating the people up.
>
>But I'm not going to give away to many things until I finish this whole
>"Evil Federation ?" thing.
>
Much of a muchness isnt it. Instead of the masses being brainwashed to the
ways of big brother, and living quite oblivious and fairly happy about it,
or being thrust into Chaos. Hmmmmmm but at least they wouldnt be ruled by
the bad guys........or would they?? <G>
Min.xxx
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:54:47 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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In a message dated 06/27/2000 9:27:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
bragan@aoc.nrao.edu writes:
> Well, I need a plot that gets Garak onto the Liberator, allows
> everybody to show off just how devious/amoral/sneaky/really cooly
> anti-heroic they can be, and requires Garak to use his interrogation
> skills at some point (preferably where Avon can see). If you happen to
> have one of those lying around... :)
How about Garak using those skills *on* Avon? ;-)
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:34:01 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>, <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Sally wrote:
>Yes, he takes Arlen knowing she's killed in the course of her supposed
>dissident/terrorist activities, but then so has he, as part of the
Liberator
>crew (few of whom had clean hands) and afterwards. He's always been
somewhat
>detached towards killing when it's necessary; he's now grimmer and even
more
>dispassionate, but there's no evidence he recruited real scum (if you think
>there is, please let me know where.)
>
I get the impression that Blake had been on the planet for sometime.
(because of Jenna dying after running the blockade. He told Deva that he
had shot one of his own men and you get the impression from Deva that the
man that Blake had killed was perhaps a bit of a loose cannon. Not only
that but we heard from Soolin that the planet was lawless, and my opinion is
that the planet didnt really seem to harbour anyone other than murderers and
the like. Why was Blake there anyway?? there was no real reason for him to
be there, not political advantages anyway! maybe it was his way of trying to
fund a new rebellion maybe?? Just my view.
>From my reading of 'Blake', it's fairly clear that Blake and Deva choose
>their targets from the information Deva collects, and therefore would weed
>out anyone beyond the pale as not to be followed up. Blake then tests them
>- a further (if extremely dangerous) weeding out. 'Tis fairly likely that
>what are then left are for the most part no better or worse - if probably
>not as pretty - as the Scorpio crew (of course, as Soolin points out,
>*they're* hardly respectable ...)
So Blake is being a double agent then. If those he gets dont meet his
needs, he is quite happy to hand them over to the same power that he is
fighting. hmmmm.
This of course is just my view. The result of too many late nights and too
much thinking perhaps. <G>
Min. xxx
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Date: Tue Jun 27 16:14:37 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
Message-Id: <200006271519.QAA13315@ns4.uk2net.com>
>
> > Fiona explained:
> > > Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender
> > >regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you
> > > who didn't have to take Latin at school])
> >
Harriet:
> > At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying
> to
> > sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis").
>
Fiona:
>
> Many people would say that I have declined considerably of late...
>
> Oh, and it suddenly occurs to me that following it through logically, the
> phrase "of Travises" should be rendered "Travibus." Hmmm...
I would push for "Travites" as the plural myself (on the analogy of trabis,
trabitis, a beam. Unless this is actually 'trabes' in which case I shall retire
in shame from this whole debate)...
Shurely Travibus would be "to, for, by, with or from Travises", and "of
Travises" would be "Travorum"?
Hey - let's start our own list entirely in Latin!
Love, Ika
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Date: Tue Jun 27 16:58:15 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
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> Neil wrote:
> I thought Volcano was pretty crap, mainly because it was written by Allan
> > > Prior.
> Ika responded:
> >But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was in
> >Steeleye Span!!
>
> Oh My Gosh, you're kidding? Her father, wow small world I guess.
>
> Jessica
Apparently so - I know this because I have a friend who is *obsessed* with
Steeleye Span to the extent of being thrown out of her music mock A-Level exam
because when she turned over the paper she saw she had to analyse the harmonies
in "All Around My Hat" and couldn't stop herself from screaming out loud. And
also obsessed with Blake's 7. Although less so. Strangely.
(This really is a friend and not me, btw.)
Love,
Ika
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:55:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Jackie Pearce in Edinburgh Fringe
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I just got this from the producer of a play for the Edinburgh Fringe Festival.
It certainly sounds different.
Jacqueline will be joining the theatre company, Siege Perilous Project for
its adaptation of Shakespeare's "Measure for Measure" which is being shown
at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. Set in today's fast-paced business
environment, this energetic production combines sharp suits, dance tracks
(including Primal Scream, The Orb and Death in Vegas) and cool graphics.
Controversially, many of the male roles have been cross-cast to females, and
Jacqueline takes the lead as the Duke who is portrayed as a Managing
Director, and turns into a flamboyant Management Consultant when in
disguise. .
Measure for Measure can be seen at the prestigious and centrally located
Hill Street Theatre, 19 Hill St, Edinburgh from 4 - 28 August at 9.40 p.m
with a Gala night in aid of The Michael Palin Centre for Stammering Children
on Sunday 13 August. Ticket price is £8 (£6 concessions) and £10 for the
Gala night. If you look for the production in the Fringe programme, it can
be found under 'A millenium measure of Measure for Measure'.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:07:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere)
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On ?, Ika wrote:
>
> I just want to say that my life's work is to convince Blake et al. that the
> Liberator needs Stuart Jones (from Queer as Folk - C4 series from a couple of
> years ago - especially the second season) (Has this gone overseas yet, btw?)
The mental vision that one gives me is probably unique in the speed at which the
more respectable part of my brain told the less respectable part to go and drool
over the image on the Freedom City list rather than here.
There are probably two things that any self-respecting slash fan should have in
her collection. One is episodes 4 and 5 of 'Soldiers of Love' and the other is
the entire series of 'Queer as Folk'.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:46:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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On Mon 26 Jun, Minnie wrote:
> Hi All
>
> You may have discussed this before, but Ive been thinking recently (it does
> happen occasionally <G>)what happened to blake before the final episode and
> what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt airated his vest.???
>
> My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians,
> murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant to
> the resistance movement?? He couldnt expect that these people would behave
> themselves just because he said so.. He couldnt control the liberator crew,
> and they were made of fairly decent people, even Avon.
Decent? A compulive thief, a murderer, an embezzeler (with other frauds in his
past too), a smuggler - I doubt the people he found on Gauda Prime would have
averaged out much worse. (Given the crime Blake was accused of, I don't think
he would have accepted a convicted rapist, but that's just my opinon)
Besides, I thought the whole point of Blake's tests (such as letting Tarrant
have the gems and the gun) was to try and filter the decent people from the
outright scum. It didn't always work (Arlen got through), but he did try.
>
> Would Blakes new rebellion have been better/worse than the federation. He
> knew who these people are, and what they did. We know this too after he's
> spoken to Arlen and says something along the lines of ".......after all the
> killing you've done". Is he so desperate that he will take anyone??
Um, he believed Arlen to be a genuine rebel, thus in his persona of bounty
hunter he was taking her to task for the Federation people she'd killed. If
killing Federation men counts, then Avon and co were damned long ago. even Vila
shoots at other space ships.
>
> I dont think this would have been good if it had continued. I think perhaps
> it was a good thing that Blake was stopped when he was. Dont get me wrong.
> I like Blake. But what could have happened from here I wonder, if he wasnt
> killed. Any thoughts??
It's a close toss as to who was going down the slope fast enough, Avon or Blake.
They were both getting harder and more ruthless in spite of being basically
decent people. They were both getting into 'ends justify means' territory.
Actually, they were both there already -examples aren't hard to find for either
of them. But that is part of the appeal of the series. Perfection is so
unbelievable.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:26:12 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy
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Alison continued to allege this wasn't off-topic:
>The reason I mention him is that - again I'm wading
> into territory where my knowledge is rather hazy -
>wasn't the film with Phil Silvers 'A funny thing
>happened on the way to the coliseum', based on
>a play by Plautus? And then wasn't 'Up Pompeii'
>somewhat loosely based on that film?
I thought it was on the way to the forum... but yes, I believe it was
based on Plautus. Very vague feeling the original play might be
"Pseudolus", but I can't remember ever reading any Plautus, so if someone
knows better...
I've seen at least one Moliere play (Scapin) that seemed to rework the same
themes, and elements of New Comedy crop up in parts of Shakespeare.
Long-lost children are a favourite.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:25:45 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Women we like
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Fiona wrote:
>I like Piri but only once she stops being Piri.
I actually find her even more irritating when she starts being Cancer. At
least when she's pretending to be Piri she's got an excuse for being awful.
When she's Cancer, she's just revoltingly self-indulgent.
Neil explained about Levett:
>I liked her because she obviously had brains and wasn't
> terribly pretty. So she and I have one thing in common.
Well, since you're terribly pretty... as Una will doubtless testify...
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:26:36 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Traves
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Joanne said:
>That's all I need - a vision of either Travis as a telekinetic
>woodlouse. "Frontios" shall have to be removed from
>memory, even if it does have George from "Drop the
>Dead Donkey" in it.
Did it? I'd forgotten that. I liked Turlough's lucky dip scene.
Meanwhile, in another part of the wood, Fiona:
>Oh, and it suddenly occurs to me that following it through
>logically, the phrase "of Travises" should be rendered
>"Travibus." Hmmm...
No, that's to or by Travises. The genitive is Travium. All together:
Travis, Travis, Travem, Travis, Travi, Travi; Traves, Traves, Traves,
Travium, Travibus, Travibus.
Is there some sort of conspiracy to get me to regurgitate Latin this week?
I even found myself playing the oddly-spelled Procol Harum the other night.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:26:21 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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Wendy nominated:
>Kerril (why hasn't anyone else nominated her?)
Definitely, if she's snarly Kerril; not if she's soppy Kerril. My only
objection to City at the... is that the pale green dress seems to have been
impregnated with enervating fumes.
Fiona promised:
>(PS: stay tuned for: "The Posthumous and Hastily
>Suppressed Memoirs of Secretary Rontane." Coming
>soon to a parody writer [and possibly website] near you...)
Please, please, please. But do they have to be posthumous? I always hoped
he survived the explosion and eventually clawed his way up to be President.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:24:52 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
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From: Jessica Taylor <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
> Umm, I'm a little confused. Are you saying that "The Cheeky Cockney" is
> needed to reassure the priveliged classes that being poor is really quite
> dandy (and with lots of singing and dancing) or do you mean that the lower
> classes themselves need this image to reassure themselves that they are,
or
> should be happy?
Neither, though there might well be some truth in both. The function of the
Cheeky Cockney is, at least so I tend to think, to pull the ruling classes
back from the brink of acknowledging their responsibility, by defusing the
gravity of circumstance through the sanitisation of the grim humour that the
ruled use to preserve their sanity. The Cheeky Cockney purveys a simple,
earthy wit that can acknowledge the bleakness of the situation through a
transparent irony that fails to pin any blame on those responsible for
creating the situation in the first place. I would note, for example, that
Vila's wit is never (IIRC) directed at Blake or his cause - that is left to
Avon, who like Blake is a member of the ruling class, and hence in a
position to criticise a social equal. There is no malice in Vila's humour,
no deeply-felt resentment, which IRL would be there in truckloads. He's the
prole who accepts his lot unquestioningly, validating the class hierarchy,
because it's in the interests of the ruling class (represented in this case
by the BBC) to portray the proles as knowing their place and sticking to it.
Comrade Neil
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:36:23 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Of Grants, Cops, Tangos and Valium (in no particular order)
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From: Pat Sumner <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
> From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>
> > If DotG featured Dayna and Cally doing a nude tango together I would
still
> > rate it as all-time worst episode. I'd just watch it a bit more often.
>
> As Blake once said, 'What a disgusting idea!'
> If you'd said Avon and Tarrant, well now, that's a different ballgame.
No, it's a disgusting idea.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:14:38 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>, "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
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From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Back from the conference
> It depends what you mean by creation. As far as I can gather, the
original
> concept was all Nation's (all but the bits he pillaged from elsewhere,
like
> Robin Hood and the Dirty Dozen and Huxley etc, which actually adds up to
> quite a lot of the original concept)
In defense of Nation--
Pillaging doesn't count. "Hamlet," "King Lear" and "Romeo and Juliet" were
all pillaged from earlier plays (and have been pillaged in their turn); "The
Magnificent Seven" was taken from "The Seven Samurai" which was itself based
on "The Forty-Seven Ronin"; "Doctor Who" steals shamelessly from "The Time
Machine" and the Narnia novels (leaving aside individual episodes), and, as
noted elsewhere on the list, "Up Pompeii" pillages Greek comedy as well. I
could go on... but there's nothing new under the sun. It's not whether the
concept is original, it's what you do with it.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:09:09 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Alison Page" <alison_page@becta.org.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 1:59 PM
Subject: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes:
> I always find it rather poignant that comedies in highly hierarchical
> societies subvert the hierarchy, and sympathise with the underdog. While
in
> real life slaves and deltas and thieves are the scummest of the scum, and
> afforded no sympathy at all.
After my flat was burgled eighteen months ago, I went through a six-month
period in which I couldn't stand any TV show, film or folk song which
featured a heroic and lovable thief who stole from the rich and gave to the
poor (and yes, that included B7, it was that bad). For the same reason I
*still* have a problem with the Channel 4 show "Lock Stock and [number
adjective plural noun]"; they're not jolly lads out for a lark, people,
they're housebreakers.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:54:14 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ika" <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
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From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:58 PM
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> Apparently so - I know this because I have a friend who is *obsessed* with
> Steeleye Span to the extent of being thrown out of her music mock A-Level
exam
> because when she turned over the paper she saw she had to analyse the
harmonies
> in "All Around My Hat" and couldn't stop herself from screaming out loud.
And
> also obsessed with Blake's 7. Although less so. Strangely.
Funnily enough, I discovered Steeleye Span at the same time that I
discovered Blake's 7, so the two have always been associated in my mind-- if
I've been watching a lot of B7 I find myself having to go and put "Tempted
and Tried" on the stereo. And vice versa.
Glad to find I'm not alone in this. Anyone else seen a connection?
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:06:01 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Allan Prior
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Ika wrote:
>But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was in
>Steeleye Span!!
My taxi driver this morning was called Alan Prior. I'm guessing he dropped
the extra 'l' to put me off the scent.
Una
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:11:07 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>,
"Kathryn Andersen" <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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----- Original Message -----
From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
Cc: Blake's 7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 07:54:25AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 10:37:12AM +0100, Nyder wrote:
> > > traitor and ex-mercenary, a non-ex mercenary, and a young woman whose
main
> > > hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace
> > > avant-la-lettre? Discuss).
> >
> > I would, if only I knew what "avant-la-lettre" meant.
>
> avant-la-lettre == after the letter.
Ahem!
avant-la-lettre== *before* the letter. Trust me, I went to a French school
from age 4 to age 18.
The expression, more figuratively, means "before its time"-- i.e. Dayna is a
sort of precursor to Ace.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:25:07 -0400
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:26:12 -0400, you wrote:
>I thought it was on the way to the forum... but yes, I believe it was
>based on Plautus. Very vague feeling the original play might be
>"Pseudolus", but I can't remember ever reading any Plautus, so if someone
>knows better...
It is "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum", and it's based on
the "Captivi".
--
Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying.
And for those who want to help.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:37:01 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fav episodes
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Sally Manton asked:
> Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other
way. What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes?
(In random order) Time Squad, Deliverance, Shadow, Trial, Volcano,
Sarcophagus, Assassin, Warlord.
Sorry, I'm too tired just now to list my reasons [but they've nearly all got
to do with Avon :-)]
Marian
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:45:19 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
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Jason de Rooy wrote:
>This got me thinking about the existance of more Travises/Travii/ Traves.
If 'da man' had somehow survived 'Star One', I wonder if they would have
gotten a new actor, who it'd have been, and where the character would have
gone from there?
But Travis *did* survive, he changed into Tarrant :-) [And while he was at
it, he decided to let the plastic surgeon do a thorough job and fix his eye
too.] Now this explains why Tarrant seems much too experienced for his age.
<veg>
Marian
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:49:12 -0600
From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To: Nyder <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
Cc: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>,
"Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 07:11:07PM +0100, Nyder wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
> To: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
> Cc: Blake's 7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
>
>
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 07:54:25AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 10:37:12AM +0100, Nyder wrote:
> > > > traitor and ex-mercenary, a non-ex mercenary, and a young woman whose
> main
> > > > hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace
> > > > avant-la-lettre? Discuss).
> > >
> > > I would, if only I knew what "avant-la-lettre" meant.
> >
> > avant-la-lettre == after the letter.
>
> Ahem!
>
> avant-la-lettre== *before* the letter. Trust me, I went to a French school
> from age 4 to age 18.
>
> The expression, more figuratively, means "before its time"-- i.e. Dayna is a
> sort of precursor to Ace.
>
> Fiona
>
Correct, I am mixing up avant and apres.
> Fiona Moore
> http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
> Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:02:57 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: favourite episodes
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying reading (or skim reading!) all
these favourite episode comments. I'm a B7 fan who hasn't seen all the
episodes yet (!) so there are now some I'm really looking forward to seeing.
I'm in the process of buying myself a B7 video library, but I've only got to
nearly the end of the 2nd season so far, which is definitely not very far
(and a lot of your favourites are ones I've not seen!) Its just making me
want to rush out right now and buy them all...
Isobel
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:05:26 -0400
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Allan Prior (was Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)))
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:54:14 +0100, you wrote:
>> Apparently so - I know this because I have a friend who is *obsessed* with
>> Steeleye Span
I haven't been following this thread till now, because I can't stand Tanith
Lee's work (in any medium) and I made the mistake of assuming that the subject
line bore some relationship to the subject under discussion. :>
But I'd like to mention that I associate Steeleye Span very strongly with my
college years. All my friends and most of my acquaintances had Steeleye Span
records, and they were usually playing them; you couldn't walk down the hall
without hearing Steeleye Span coming from some dorm room or other.
Recently I got the Steeleye Span CD, "Spanning the Years" -- first Steeleye
Span I'd ever actually owned. Every time I play it, I think of my college so
strongly I might as well be back there. It's rather nice, really.
--
Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying.
And for those who want to help.
http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:18:03 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Prior
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From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
> But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was in
> Steeleye Span!!
I think Sandy Denny had a better voice.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:46:11 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
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From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> Neil explained about Levett:
> >I liked her because she obviously had brains and wasn't
> > terribly pretty. So she and I have one thing in common.
>
> Well, since you're terribly pretty... as Una will doubtless testify...
Terribly something, certainly.
Neil
PS Do not trust the judgement of the one called Una. I once saw her pull
some small change out of her pocket to buy a pint at the convention bar, and
what came out with her coinage? Fish bones and black and white feathers,
that's what. Oh, how shamelessly does evil flaunt itself in its arrogance!
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:42:16 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> On Mon 26 Jun, Minnie wrote:
> > My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians,
> > murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant
to
> > the resistance movement?? He couldnt expect that these people would
behave
> > themselves just because he said so.. He couldnt control the liberator
crew,
> > and they were made of fairly decent people, even Avon.
>
> Decent? A compulive thief, a murderer, an embezzeler (with other frauds
in his
> past too), a smuggler - I doubt the people he found on Gauda Prime would
have
> averaged out much worse. (Given the crime Blake was accused of, I don't
think
> he would have accepted a convicted rapist, but that's just my opinon)
I'm with Min here. They were a thoroughly decent bunch of squeaky clean,
middle class (even Vila) make-believe criminals with all the glam of being
on the run from the law with none of the grimy banality that gets you
running in the first place.
Fiona alluded to the distancing that takes place in popular media between
criminals and the crimes they comit. We certainly get this with Blake's
bunch - a litany of crimes, but not of victims. Listing victims would
compromise the decency befitting a bunch of criminal heroes out for
derring-do adventure. (Blake is the exception, though in his case the
victims are fabricated and Blake himself is innocent.) The bad guys, OTOH,
produce victims by the score (literally in the first episode), and we get to
see them being gunned down mercilessly.
Suppose Blake had had to crew his ship with the likes of Ted Bundy, Frankie
Fraser, the Krays, Ian Brady and fifty squillion England supporters, all of
them far more likely to get shipped off to Cygnus Alpha than the cuddly
munch bunch that did sail on the London. As I once said in a Horizon
letterzine - What did Nova do to get deported? Step on the President's
hamster?
Neil
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:59:46 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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Betty wrote:
> Hmm. Wait a moment. I think I'm beginning to get the vaguest
> glimmerings of something remotely like an idea. Hmm...
Hurrah! Hurrah!
> Well, OK, now all I need is a way to get from vague glimmerings to a
> plot. Also time. And energy. And to finish my current project(s).
> And to watch a bunch more DS9 videos for reference. :)
Mail me mail me mail me mail me! We can brainstorm! Want want WANT this
story!
Una stampy-foot bratface
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:57:26 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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Tiger said:
> In a message dated 06/27/2000 9:27:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bragan@aoc.nrao.edu writes:
>
> > Well, I need a plot that gets Garak onto the Liberator, allows
> > everybody to show off just how devious/amoral/sneaky/really cooly
> > anti-heroic they can be, and requires Garak to use his interrogation
> > skills at some point (preferably where Avon can see). If you happen to
> > have one of those lying around... :)
>
> How about Garak using those skills *on* Avon? ;-)
Ah, you read my mind!
Or there's always Cally, who would feel duty-bound to forgive him (after
kicking the shit out of him) and then there would be angst.
Una
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:16:27 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>,
"Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>, "Lysator" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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----- Original Message -----
From: Wendy S. Penberriss <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Minnie <minnie@picknowl.com.au>; Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
>
> I think Blake was totally crazy by that point and,
> whatever he thought, was too unstable to mobilize a
> viable resistance, so I don't think it would have made
> a difference to the resistance as a whole.
You're not channelling Trevor Hoyle right now by any chance, are you Wendy?
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:19:58 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <randallandhopkirk@egroups.com>
Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7/Randall & Hopkirk 2000 Fiction
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The first part of my crossover story between Blake's 7 and Randall & Hopkirk
2000 will be available for viewing in the next couple of days. It's pretty
silly (as the preposterous premise suggests), but hopefully entertaining.
It's rated PG, and owing to the Beeb suddenly dropping B7 just when I was
getting interested, it's heavier on the R&H stuff than the B7 side.
I'll be sending it out as an e-mail series before updating the Web page, so
let me know if you're interested in reading it! :)
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:23:05 +0100
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals)
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From: Wendy S. Penberriss <penberriss@yahoo.com>
> Duel. I'm sorry, but Steven Greif just doesn't do it
> for me.
I second that. At least, I agree that Duel was dreary, even though on the
whole I thought Stephen Greif was a rather fine fellow. OTOH, I've only seen
series one, so my overview is limited.
Ariana
http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:25:33 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
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Neil wrote:
> PS Do not trust the judgement of the one called Una. I once saw her pull
> some small change out of her pocket to buy a pint at the convention bar,
and
> what came out with her coinage? Fish bones and black and white feathers,
> that's what. Oh, how shamelessly does evil flaunt itself in its
arrogance!
Don't be ludicrous, Neil - I have never knowingly paid for drinks in my
life.
Una
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:20:35 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Prior
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Neil:
> From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
> > But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was
in
> > Steeleye Span!!
>
> I think Sandy Denny had a better voice.
Ah, fantastic voice.
Una
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:02:06 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons
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Betty wrote:
> Oh, gawd. [Buries head in hands] I may just *have* to write this, if
> only because I can't get out of my mind the idea of Garak giving Avon
> fashion advice.
<Would here splutter coffee over screen if drinking it, but you get the
picture>
> (Or the *interesting* tension that would surely
> result if Avon ever found out just what Garak used to do for a
> living. Or Garak's reaction to finally finding people as amoral as
> he is...)
That'll be 'tension' in the sense of 'bloodbath', I imagine? <g>
> But, damn it, the problem is I can't write plot to save my life...
Plot schlmot. Plots write themselves. And who cares about plot when you can
have a series of scorching scenes made up of killer dialogue?
Una
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