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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 196
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
[B7L] Servalan as Jareth
[B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
[B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Re: Susan Matthews, PGP Vila, etc.
Re: [B7L] Re: After the revolution
[B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Nexus
[B7L] REfractions
Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
[B7L] Re: APE
Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
RE: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
RE: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
[B7L] Re: Bleeding onto the page
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
[B7L] Una convincing Neil to do a webzine
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:14:07 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
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In a message dated 7/7/00 1:53:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
smanton@hotmail.com writes:
> Nina wrote:
> <I've always been grateful that B7 never had an episode equivalent to
> original ST's bit with the space hippies -->
>
> True, but they did have <shudder> Space Rats ...
But at least they didn't SING!
Nina
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:14:05 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/6/00 11:10:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes:
> Please, not Gene Simmons! Mercy!
Yeah, well, Paul Stanley doesn't really wear enough studs, does he? Snarly's
prettier than Ace and Peter's just too...nice. Yep, I'm afraid it's gotta be
Gene!
Nina
(now afraid she'll find the KISS comics whilst unpacking -- ack!)
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:14:04 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/6/00 11:01:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
B7Morrigan@aol.com writes:
> Was it the clothing? I don't think it was the tongue (oh, better go to the
> other list...)
<snicker> Alas, I fear we'll never know...
OTOH, my late-teen fascination with the whole KISS studs'n'leather shtick
might have been a foreshadowing of my later drooling over Snarly!
Nina
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:04:12 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In message <d.7368262.269a106d@aol.com>, B7Morrigan@aol.com writes
>To assist, I've been using Judith's list of zines, some of which have
>reviews, but I don't see Refractions on the list of B7 gen or adult/slash.
Look in the multimedia gen zines section. There's a large collection of
multimedia zines, including several issues of Refractions, which include
B7 material. The zine database has the B7 content listed.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:33:59 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Servalan as Jareth
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> >From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
> >What, she reminds you of Jareth from Labyrinth because she's cool, or
> >because he defies gender roles?
>
> Thankyou to the pair of you, because I'm now trying to get rid of the idea
> of Servalan reeling off the "You remind me of the babe" bit of the movie,
> with assorted troops and toyboys standing in for the goblins!
>
> Regards
> Joanne
And now I have an image of her standing at the top of an M.C. Escher
stairway, with Avon below (depending on perspective) "Everything I've
done, I've done for you! I move the the stars for no one." ::shiver::
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Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:17:04 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
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Am I the only one, besides Cally, who was bothered by the other rebels
surrounding and taunting Shrinker while Avon went off? Frankly, Avon had
strong presonal reasons for leaving Shrinker with a gun in a cave
without an opening. The sentence was death, passed on Shrinker's
self-admitted crimes. It was made as dispassionately as possible
(typical of a judge giving sentence) and the means to chose a quick or
slow death left up to the disposition of the individual. Avon even gave
him a chance to preserve his dignity in death.
I found the taunts of Vila, Dayna, and Tarrant a form of torture. They
knew the appeal to his conscience wouldn't have an effect, but they
wanted him to know he was completely in the power of ruthless people who
hated him with all the passion of those who sincerely believe in their
moral superiority. They were attempting to disorient him with their
circling and badgering. Avon was hard, but acting on a notion of revenge
as justice. Why Vila, Tarrant, and Dayna acted that way--? We can
charitably say they were so disturbed by Avon's condition they were
trying to avenge him, or we can say that his cowardice/nastiness
combination allowed them to indulge latent bullying streaks without
guilt.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:02:24 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Neil wrote:
> I tend to need 3-4 hours warm-up time before
> I can even start writing, and these days I'm lucky to get even that. Regular
> 12-15 hour stints at the keyboard are out of the question, and it could take
> me that long to produce just one paragraph. I am not a fast writer.
LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming
up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day).
Perhaps we need the help of Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle.
(Though sometimes, usually at the beginning of a project when
I'm still inspired, I might get two or three good pages that come
out in a rush, more or less whole; ever get that?)
I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff. Piers
Anthony does something like this; I saw a reproduction of part of
a first draft of his, full of everything from to-do lists to questions
to research to actual paragraphs of the story. I'm reluctant to
change workstyles in the middle of a piece, for fear of damaging
it (such as it is), but I'm thinking of trying this 'dump-writing' style
next time, to try and get to a rough draft faster. Why don't you
try it as well? (Dare ya!!)
'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
ObB7: Nation and Boucher of course had to produce scripts on a
tight schedule--no staring at the blinking cursor allowed, I suppose.
They did rather well, considering.
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:30:31 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Neil wrote:
<It would certainly have been nice to see the women taking a more
active role in the formulation of strategy, suggesting possible
targets, drawing up attack plans etc, or even just being consulted now
and again.>
Well, there *are* some indications that Blake confided rather more in
Cally than the rest ... okay, not a lot of proof, but some.
<It is true, though, that three of the four male characters had more
than their fair share of action and dialogue.>
We have to be fair to the writers, though; in my experience of fanfic,
that's much the same. Blake's the leader and eponymous hero so he has
to do a lot of the talking, and Avon and Vila are just so much more
*fun* to write (well, IMO so is Blake, but ) ...
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:31:23 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Me: <True, but they did have <shudder> Space Rats ...>
Nina:<But at least they didn't SING!>
I dunno ... given it's likely that most of them couldn't carry a tune in
an intergalactic dump truck, that could be rather fun ...
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:51:03 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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Mistral wrote:
> I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
> whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
> editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff. Piers
> Anthony does something like this; I saw a reproduction of part of
> a first draft of his, full of everything from to-do lists to questions
> to research to actual paragraphs of the story. I'm reluctant to
> change workstyles in the middle of a piece, for fear of damaging
> it (such as it is), but I'm thinking of trying this 'dump-writing' style
> next time, to try and get to a rough draft faster. Why don't you
> try it as well? (Dare ya!!)
>
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
I'm definitely a dump-writer. I always have a very good idea of where I want
a piece to go before I even start it. Not to the extent of it basically
being a transcription of what I've been thinking, but I always have a very
firm idea of the structure and I usually have the beginning and the end
quite clear in my mind. It's invariably a single draft with tweaking.
Once I start, I don't like to stop. The long story on 'The Aquitar Files'
('A Little Knowledge') was written across about a week. Sessions can get
*very* obsessive! When I do stop, it really breaks my rhythm and it can be a
fair while before I can go back to a story (if ever).
Una
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:45:15 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
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Helen K wrote:
> Am I the only one, besides Cally, who was bothered by the other rebels
> surrounding and taunting Shrinker while Avon went off?
This scene is one of those I remembered distinctly from first watching the
show, it made such an impression on me. 'He's an animal, Cally.' - 'Yes, and
it's contagious, isn't it?' Great stuff.
> Why Vila, Tarrant, and Dayna acted that way--? We can
> charitably say they were so disturbed by Avon's condition they were
> trying to avenge him, or we can say that his cowardice/nastiness
> combination allowed them to indulge latent bullying streaks without
> guilt.
I'm definitely with the second interpretation. What I like best about all
these scenes on the Liberator in RoD is that no-one is acting well, yet you
remain sympathetic to them. Avon is operating purely from revenge, yet you
admire his singleminded pursuit of justice. Dayna, Tarrant and Vila turn on
a defenceless man - but one who just a few minutes previously had been
prepared to burn out Avon's eyes. Cally keeps the moral high ground, but it
so damn pious about the whole thing.
Una
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:03:52 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sarah and Fiona,
>Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there is
>also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor," presumably thrown in just
>to prove Avon corect in his statement that Dayna would not be conspicuous on
>Helotrix because the Stock Equalization Act was in force at the time it was
>settled. I assume that bit must have been put in because the BBC had been
>getting awkward questions as to why there were no black people besides the
>Mellanbys themselves in Series 3.
>
>Even so, the African contingent in B7 is doing better than the East Asian
>contingent, which is represented only by that single rather unpleasant
>individual in "Children"-- Glinka, I think his name is.
What I found interesting about the Mellanbys was that they regarded the
(white) Sarrans as inferior, but only because they were 'uncivilized', not
on racial grounds. Also, Servalan's hostility towards Hal Mellanby was
merely political, based on him being a rebel. Regarding Asians, the passing
over of Ginka for promotion does not appear to have been on racial grounds.
I believe that we can assume the existence of a prevailing attitude of
racial equality in the Federation; and I also believe that the same can be
said about equality between the sexes. In the series, none of Servalan's
enemies ever asserted that she was unfit for the offices she held because
she was a woman.
Murray
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:03:45 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Susan Matthews, PGP Vila, etc.
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Nyder,
>Likewise skirting the borders of Freedom City (and not stopping to flip
>through the mags either) but remember one of the characteristics of the
>Cheerful Cockney/humourous "lower" (sic, guys) class character is that s/he
>is sensual and generally oversexed. This is a stereotype, actually, which
>seems to get applied to most if not all oppressed groups, African-Americans
>and homosexuals being the two that leap to mind first.
I would correct you a little in that this sensual steryotype is directed
against groups that are _seen_ as threatening, whether they are actually
oppressed or not. For example, after the Act of Union between England and
Scotland in 1707, many Scotsmen of all classes went south to better
themselves. At the time, there was a huge amount of anti-Scottish
propaganda, which included contentions that they were oversexed.<g>
As an example, the new King George III appointed as Prime Minister the Earl
of Bute, a Scottish nobleman, who was believed by hostile propaganda to be
the lover of that monarch's mother.<bg>
Murray
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:03:35 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: After the revolution
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Kat and Nyder,
>> > Is Cygnus Alpha part of the Federation at all? It appears to be just a
>> > place where the Federation dump people,
>>
>> Maybe this is unsupported, but I got the impression that it was sort of like
>> eighteenth-century Australia; part of the Federation, but in such an early
>> stage of colonization that they don't worry too much about it.
>
>> > If Cygnus Alpha is not a full part of the Federation, this can be used to
>> > explain any deviation from the latter's religious prohibition policy.
>>
>> Re the religious prohibition policy: perhaps such a mandate was just in
>> practice too difficult to police, and so pockets of religious feeling
>> continued to exist on the periphery.
>
>I would have thought that penal colonists would be considered
>non-persons, yeah, not worth bothering with, *certainly* not worth
>policing. Mind you, it makes one wonder why they bothered shipping
>them out at all, it would have been cheaper just to execute them.
The difference with eighteenth-century Australia was that Cygnus Alpha had
no manifestations of Federation authority _whatsoever_, there being no need
for such things as the convicts were stuck on the planet. Because of this,
the religion that emerged on Cygnus would not have been a threat to the
Federation.
In terms of not executing them, my suggestion is that the Federation
shipped the convicts to Cygnus Alpha as a show of clemency, giving them a
chance (it would claim) to redeem themselves through hard work.
Murray
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:01:14 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Wendy gave this site for a parody of Horizon.
http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/
Thanks, Wendy, for listing the site. I'd never seen it before, and it's
really cute. My only disappointment was that it wasn't developed in more
detail. But what was there was very amusing and well done.
Joyce
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:29:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Nexus
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This is a brief con report because I'm knackered and there were loads of zine
orders waiting when I got home.
In a nutshell, Nexus is a really good con. I intend to go next year regardless
of who the guests are and it's very rare indeed that I say that (I think only
Cult TV and Ecclecticon have ever had that status until now - Who's 7 would
have done, but it always had a B7 guest anyway).
Nexus is my type of event. In addition to enjoying listening to Paul's guest
talk, I also went along to the interactive programme and that was really good.
I'm the kind of sad person who really enjoys listening to an aerospace engineer
analysing the design of Thunderbird 2 and managing to find plausible reasons for
most of it. (though I fear Cloudbase from another Anderson series had some
rather serious design flaws)
I like discussing the possibility of data crystals (and was really evil when I
discovered that my long ago O-level in geology could be used to generate
difficult questions) and had a great session with the people discusing the
merits of good scripts versus good special effects. The panel member who said
'Invasion Earth' summed up my views perfectly. (great special effects cannot
compensate for bad acting and a lousy script)
There were some great-sounding sessions that I missed while minding the
Redemption stand. "Will you swop?" I asked Eddie. No such luck - he wanted to
go to the same session.
Then there were the great ones that clashed. Paul Darrow won out over a
discussion on the future of Crusade. My definition of a good convention is how
many things I had to miss and regretted missing. There were at least half a
dozen at Nexus.
We also had good sessions in the evening. The Jarvis hotel has a really good
social area with lots of comfy chairs and good air-conditioning (clears the
cigarette smoke) and I had a lot of interesting chats with other fans. Emma
Peel did a Wobblevision session which was an absolute hoot.
We all got assigned our parts for Rumours of Death and had ten minutes to find a
suitable costume. The random assignment led to some highly amusing casting. As
I was in an Avon costume, fate decreed that I drew Tarrant <grin>. My husband,
wearing a bright orange Hawiaian shirt, drew Avon - but my costume didn't fit
him <evil grin>. He got the studded vest, but that was all. I got the fluffy
black wig that someone else had brought.
Servalan was drawn by David McIntee (imagine a middle-aged man with a
beard and a Glaswegan accent if you don't know David). I'm really looking
forward to the photos on Emma's web site! This one had to be seen to be
believed (a true testament to David's sense of humour).
Shrinker's laser probe was hastily constructed out of a toilet brush!
I haven't enjoyed an evening so much in ages, well, except perhaps the Friday
night of the con when one vampire, half a dozen Centari and one Avon went out
the Bristol hippodrome and blended perfectly into the audience for the Rocky
Horror show! All together now - "Let's do the time warp again."
The people running the event were friendly and helpful. There was the
occasional cancelled/rearranged session, but that's inevitable in any
convention. If Jackie Pearce turns up at the last moment (with impeccable
timing on a perfect entrance line during Paul's talk and really delighting the
audience who hadn't known she would be there) then you adapt events to fit this.
There were long autograph queues, but many cons have problems in this area (I'd
say Cult TV and Neutral Zone cope best of the cons that I've been to - they both
have ways of getting people to turn up in small groups rather than everyone
queueing for ages)
As I don't collect autographs, this didn't cause me any problems anyway.
The main reason I'm not repeating what Paul said is that apart from the news
he'll be involved in a radio play about monks and nuns it was mostly stuff I'd
heard before. I'm hoping that someone who's been to fewer cons than me will be
able to write about it and convey the enthusiam that one has when seeing Paul
for the first time. (I should add that Paul isn't dull even when you know the
answers. He's a great entertainer.)
The con charity was the National Library for the Blind. Their particular aim is
to make more SF available to the blind. I hope they succeeded. It was a great
convention.
Judith
PS. I must say thank you to my husband. He spent a lot of time looking after
the table in the dealers' room, handing out Redemption flyers and selling zines.
That gave me a lot more time than I normally have to take part in the actual
convention. (But then if Nexus hadn't had a lot to do, he wouldn't have come
because the boys would have been bored. As it was, they enjoyed themselves
too.) I spent some time on the table to give him a break, but it's also nice to
chat to passing fans. If you're selling B7 fanzines then, surprise surprise,
you meet B7 fans.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:42:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] REfractions
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Refractions is a nice little zine with some good stories. I always find it hard
to sell because it's multimedia, but it's well worth checking out because apart
from the high standard of writing and layout, its also Australian and that (due
to the exchange rate and printing costs) means it's good value for money.
I've got copies of Refractions 3,4,5 for sale that Kathryn gave me last time
she was over here (I just sold my last copy of 6 at Nexus), but the zine doesn't
sell as well as I feel it deserves.
Judith
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:45:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc.
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On Sat 08 Jul, JEB31538@cs.com wrote:
> Judith's website says Liberatored (Sheelagh Wells's audio tape) is out of
> print now. I don't know if that's an error or not. The last I heard both
> Blake's Back and Liberatored were NOW currently in stock for a brief time.
> The tapes are $15 for Americans. I urge everyone who doesn't have them to
> order them now--either through Judith's website or directly from Sheelagh.
> You might have to Email Judith to find out if the comment on Liberatored is
> true or not. I think she just forgot to remove the notation. I hope
> that's the case. If not, then the reprint runs are really LIMITED.
we need to catch up with te updates there (Richard's been busy installing new
sorfware and various pretty bits of hardware on his computer, so he's a bit
behind on the site until he's got everything working together properly)
Essentially, if you want to pay in pounds or US dollars, then order Blake's Back
and Liberatored from sheelagh. (she can take US$ cheques) If you want to pay by
credit card, then order from me. (but contact me by e-mail first as they won't
appear on my normal order form) The idea is for me to take the aus and European
orders. There's only a limited stock and sheelagh would prefer people to get
them directly from her if possible.
>
> It is definite that Blake will be the next model and is in progress right
> now.
He's ready now. Kelvin's just catching up on a backlog of painting Avons and
then he'll start painting Blakes. Blake is wearing his landing outfit - the
green parka that appears in a lot of episodes. There'll be a picture on the web
site before long.
Do be sure to visit Judith's website and specifically Email her which
> models you want to buy NEXT after Avon and Blake. It's expensive, but
> let's face it---after over 20 years, don't we deserve to finally have some
> models? Support this project.
I think Travis is probably next. I don't know if Ian will be doing Travis 1 or
Travis 2.
Judith
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:36:45 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: APE
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Una, you are the only one I remember saying that you ordered APE. Would you
give us a report on the Blake's 7 cartoon strip in it when you get the
magazine?
I heard back from APE http://www.apemag.demon.co.uk/
and Cornelius says the strip will be a series. However, spending 21 pounds
for an overseas subscription for a comic strip is just too pricey. From
what I've seen of APE from the website, I'd say I was definitely not
interested in the rest of the magazine. I'm too old and definitely not hip,
and the target audience for this magazine seems to be young people, 15-30,
I'm guessing.
By the way, Una, I liked your article in ZENITH about how badly the Beeb
treated the B7 reruns this year. And I definitely think Americans spending
12 dollars cash for ZENITH from Judith Proctor is a very good deal.
Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com
Joyce
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:37:57 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
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Mistral asked:
>'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?<
How can I resist? :-) I'm a fairly quick writer but like Neil and Mistral I
need time to "get into" the story. That takes at least half an hour and I
do it by reading over what I've already done. I too find it much easier to
rewrite what's already there so at first I just keep on writing even though
I know it's bad. On going over it again and again I gradually adjust it
until I'm satisfied.
Then I let it rest story for a few weeks and go back to it and find a lot of
things which need changing that escaped me earlier. I can keep tinkering
with it forever and at some time just have to say: "Enough!"
I love to write dialogue, which consequently is what I'm best at. Also, I
find it much more easier to write fiction than fact. Facts need to be
precisely worded, while a story can be told in many different ways. To
bring this on topic: writing B7 stories seems to go almost by itself but I'm
really sweating over the episode reviews. :-)
Does anyone else suffer from the frustration of getting much more ideas for
stories than one will ever be able to write? Right now I'm finishing off
one story (you'll get it, Neil, when it's ready) and have already three
others worked out in my head and some dozen loose ideas floating.
>ObB7: Nation and Boucher of course had to produce scripts on a
tight schedule--no staring at the blinking cursor allowed, I suppose.
They did rather well, considering.<
Extremely well, with the pressure they were under.
Marian
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:22:32 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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From: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>
> > http://www.geocities.com/rooneia_vijensis/
> >
> > Most of it seemed to be an in-joke, but the layout is
> > just perfect, and the zine page is a real laugh--
> > anyone else seen it?
>
> Parodies are always amusing and this one is no exception.
Agreed. Thanks to Wendy for finding this one.
> However, if this
> opens up THAT subject again, I'm off to find a bolthole.
Seconded. It's far too soon to go through all that again. November, maybe.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:14:08 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> Why not do a webzine then, Neil? That's just design and layout, and no
> printing, distribution or cost at all.
You mean, do a webzine for people who have never heard of the Aquitar Files?
What about contributions from people who are not online? How do they get
their trib copy? Or do I just say, 'Sorry, I can't take your story, you're
not online'?
And if they are online, why don't they just stick their fanfic up on their
own website?
Neil
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:27:19 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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Mistral wrote:
>'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
>or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
>or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
>or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
I consider myself slow, but having read that people can spend an entire
night writing 3 sentences maybe I'm not as bad as I thought! Two hours for
one scene is pretty usual.
I only write one draft, but it gets tweaked multiple times. My writing
sessions usually last 3-4 hours at a time, sometimes only 2 hours if that's
all I have spare. The two hour sessions do tend to irritate me though -
firstly because I'm often in the middle of a section when I get dragged
away and secondly because I have the bad habit of starting from the
beginning of the story every time. I tell myself I'll reread the previous
sections just to get back into the story, but what happens of course is
that I spot something I'm not happy with and end up editing. Lots. My two
hour writing sessions have been known to turn into nothing but editing
sessions. It's a habit I'm deliberately curing myself of, forcing myself to
start writing the next bit and then go back and edit the whole thing when
it's finished.
Generally I write beginning to end, but if one of the later scenes suddenly
jumps into my head complete with dialogue, I'll write that down before I
forget it.
I always know a rough outline and the ending when I start. On the one
occasion I was inspired to write a story simply by the image of a single
scene, I didn't start writing 'til over a week later when I'd figured out
how to wrap a plot around it.
I certainly don't know every last detail of the plot when I start.
Generally, I have a beginning, an end and one or two middle bits, and
figure out as I go along how to link them together. If I try to plot it all
out at the start it's much harder - things tend to sort themselves out
naturally once I start writing and by the time I get to the blank bit I've
sussed it out.
My editing process is obsessive and I'm never happy. I would say I tend to
edit everything a minimum of 10 times, and the tenth time I'm still finding
things I want to change. I often leave a story alone for 1-3 weeks shortly
after it's finished then go back to re-edit with a fresher eye. And then at
some point when I'm sick of the sight of the thing, I give up and call it
finished by default!
Louise
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:06:12 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
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Marian wrote:
>Does anyone else suffer from the frustration of getting much more ideas
>for stories than one will ever be able to write? Right now I'm finishing
off
>one story (you'll get it, Neil, when it's ready) and have already three
>others worked out in my head and some dozen loose ideas floating.
Not for B7, oddly, despite it being my favourite fandom by far. After 8
years in B7 circles, my stories are in single figures, and all quite
short.
Recently I have found a fandom where this happens, and for the last 5
months I've had a queue of ideas. I'm not sure I like it, it's eating up my
life and my other hobbies have all gone right out of the window...
Louise
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:42:48 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock
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Neil wrote:
> From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> > Why not do a webzine then, Neil? That's just design and layout, and no
> > printing, distribution or cost at all.
>
> You mean, do a webzine for people who have never heard of the Aquitar
Files?
Just because there's one B7 webzine out there doesn't mean there can't be
more. I regularly read two DS9 ones (the editors publish every two months,
BTW, tho' that's not a commitment I'd like to take on).
> What about contributions from people who are not online? How do they get
> their trib copy? Or do I just say, 'Sorry, I can't take your story,
you're
> not online'?
That's up to you as the editor and the author, I guess.
Would someone who isn't online be interested in contributing to a webzine?
> And if they are online, why don't they just stick their fanfic up on their
> own website?
Maybe they're not HTML literate.
Una
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:02:36 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Bleeding onto the page
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Mistral wrote:
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
Hmm, let's see... To answer those in order: 1) I can write pretty
quickly once I get going, but actually getting myself to sit down at the
keyboard and stay there until the words start flowing is *hard*. So it
can take me a very long time to get anything written. 2) One, plus
tweaking. 3) I tend to be a very linear thinker, so it's usually
beginning to end... But the last thing I wrote, I found myself jumping
around all over the place, and that seemed to work OK. (I probably
never would have even gotten the thing started if I had to start at the
beginning.) So maybe I'll do that more often in future. I'm still
learning this stuff. 4) Major outline. Or, more accurately, a *lot* of
scribbled notes which, when combined together in a somewhat
non-intuitive order, contain a description of pretty much everything
that happens in the story, including large chunks of dialog. 5) I don't
think I *can* start until I have at least some idea of the end. Endings
are important. They can determine the tone of the whole story. 6) It
depends. I'll do at most an hour a day for ages (and have great trouble
motivating myself to do that), and then suddenly I'll just find myself
taking an entire weekend and obsessing over the thing until it's pretty
much done.
> ObB7: Nation and Boucher of course had to produce scripts on a
> tight schedule--no staring at the blinking cursor allowed, I suppose.
> They did rather well, considering.
Well, if they were anything like me (doubtful, I know!), having a
deadline probably *helped*.
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little
like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:16:55 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
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From: <mistral@ptinet.net>
> Neil wrote:
>
> > I tend to need 3-4 hours warm-up time before
> > I can even start writing, and these days I'm lucky to get even that.
Regular
> > 12-15 hour stints at the keyboard are out of the question, and it could
take
> > me that long to produce just one paragraph. I am not a fast writer.
>
> LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming
> up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day).
> Perhaps we need the help of Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle.
Been there done that etc. I find that I tend to write better at night, or
at least write more at night, which just adds to my difficulties since I
work the night shift.
> (Though sometimes, usually at the beginning of a project when
> I'm still inspired, I might get two or three good pages that come
> out in a rush, more or less whole; ever get that?)
Yes, though not necessarily at the start. The last big rush I had was when
I was rewriting Candle In The Dark. Not my best story, but there were some
bits in there I was rather pleased with. One passage almost wrote itself,
the words just flowed out in a steady stream, and I was just about ready to
finish and save to disc when ... the computer crashed. And since I was due
to leave for work in about an hour, I had to hurriedly reboot and rewrite as
much of it as I could while it was still fresh in my mind.
> I'm told the cure is to sit down and write whatever comes out,
> whether it has anything to do with the story or not, and without
> editing; dump the garbage to get down to the good stuff.
I have tried this, starting at a particular time and saying to myself,
"Right, 300 words in the next hour, even if it just means the quick brown
fox dies of exhaustion". It sort of worked for about three days, when the
appointed hour suddenly became unavailable and the brave new rigorous
schedule became unavailable.
Piers
> Anthony does something like this; I saw a reproduction of part of
> a first draft of his, full of everything from to-do lists to questions
> to research to actual paragraphs of the story. I'm reluctant to
> change workstyles in the middle of a piece, for fear of damaging
> it (such as it is), but I'm thinking of trying this 'dump-writing' style
> next time, to try and get to a rough draft faster. Why don't you
> try it as well? (Dare ya!!)
Writers do develop odd techniques to get that 90 per cent perspiration done.
Dumas, apparently, wrote in the nude, in a bare room containing only one
table and one chair (with paper and pen, obviously). He would even get a
servant to lock him in the room and not let him out until he'd written the
requisite number of words for the day. I can't say I've tried that one. I
haven't got a servant, for one thing.
I heard of another writer who would stick his pages on the wall. If he was
happy with them, they were the right way up. If they needed rewriting, they
went up at an angle. Anything upside down needed serious reworking.
Another trick I've employed myself is to stop in mid-sentence, when you know
how it's going to carry on. Supposedly helps you to pick up the thread next
time. It works too - when I've gone back to the story a day later, I finish
that sentence in no time:)
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
Slow, definitely. One draft, tweaked as I go (I will go back and tweak as
changes have to be made), but I like to get it as near perfect as possible
first time around. I normally start a story knowing how I want it to end,
in fact I normally start knowing the end and then invent a beginning.
Before getting stuck somewhere in the middle. I rarely have anything more
than a rudimentary outline, which might be where a lot of my plots founder
because they tend to be complicated. I've tried listing all the various
elements and how they play off against each other, but then I tend to end up
getting lost. One story had (pause for deep breath) Blake's crew, a corrupt
government, two rebel factions, at least two freelance mercenaries, the
Auron intelligence service, Federation Central Security, a Space Command
contingent and an Outer World corporation, all freely stabbing each other in
the back as they pursued their conflicting agendas.
I nearly always invent a few original characters for a story, indeed they
might be the primary focus of a story, which can make it hard to give
breathing space for all the regulars. I did it with Hunter, though - the
five on the Liberator, with decent roles for about seven originals.
Dammit, you're inspiring me!
(Mistral snickers to herself, "It's working, it's working ha-ha-ha!!")
Neil
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:22:54 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Una convincing Neil to do a webzine
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> > And if they are online, why don't they just stick their fanfic up on
their
> > own website?
>
> Maybe they're not HTML literate.
>
They might not be HTML literate and face it, no matter how highly each of us
thinks of our own writing, it is rare that a story doesn't benefit from a
good editor.
I'd be content if you did another paper zine Neil, and if you're looking for
stories, I'll send you one that you should receive shortly after Marians <g>
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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