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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 271
Today's Topics:
RE: [B7L] the Travis comparison [ "Lisa Rowland" <hkfilmfan@home.com> ]
[B7L] new souls for the faith [ padme@bantha.org (Clavda) ]
Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
[B7L] Steven Pacey sightings [ Mac4781@aol.com ]
[B7L] Merch. Query [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] h2g2 [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Anna [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: Anna [was Re: [B7L] Re-Introduct [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] h2g2 [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie> ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Merch. Query [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demo ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demo ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: [B7L] Mary Ridge [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: [B7L] The Princess Bride [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Kak virus info [ "Wildean" <wildean@freedomcity.fsne ]
[B7L] Welcome back [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Kak virus info [ "Wildean" <wildean@freedomcity.fsne ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@wor ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] The Princess Bride [ Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.c ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@w ]
Re: [B7L] Anna [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theo [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Introduction [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:05:36 -0700
From: "Lisa Rowland" <hkfilmfan@home.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] the Travis comparison
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Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for the great welcome. Then secondly,
mention that there have been some great comments on the two Travises.
Penny wrote:
>He's more excitingly unpredictable. He is the manic rabid poodle to Greif's
well-trained doberman. And at least in "Trial" and "Gambit" he gets to be a
bit more multifaceted than Greif ever got to be, but without losing his
reprehensibility.
I like the comparison! I would definitely agree that Brian is more a rabid
poodle. ;) Yes, he does get to be more multifaceted, however, I maintain
it's because the writers finally allowed the character to grow. I also
maintain that this happened due to Stephen leaving the series. If he hadn't
left, the writers would have been happy to continue in the same vein with
the "I'll get you Blake!" theme.
Mistral wrote:
>Sometimes I think Travis II brings out my few maternal instincts - I want
to give him a hug and make it all better. (EW! I can't believe I SAID that!
Must be tireder than
I thought.) Are you watching the broadcasts on KBTC?
LOL! Now THAT's something I would NOT have thought of! Yes, I'm watching
KBTC. If you've seen it, you may have noticed the new format they're
broadcasting Dr. Who. Thank goodness they don't have that choice with B7!
Marian wrote:
>Croucher's face is much too smooth compared to Greif's, which gives the
impression of intense suffering. The eye patch doesn't 'fit' Croucher.
With Greif it becomes part of his face, it blends in, while on Croucher it
just looks very silly, IMHO.
Well put! That was one of the first things I thought about. Why didn't
they give Brian the same kind of patch they gave Stephen? With Stephen it
looked like they had taken a mold of his face and made the patch in some
sort of plastic. Brian's patch looked like the vinyl that they used in for
some kid's toys. A good point about the actual shape of the face.
Marian also wrote:
>I think Croucher would have been better served if the producers had created
the role of a new villain for him, maybe as Travis's younger brother,
blaming Blake for his brother's death and wanting to take revenge.
Now, I like THAT idea! That would have been quite interesting. Too bad the
writers didn't think of it.
Una wrote:
>I see T1 as the Establishment guy who loses the game, and T2 as the working
class boy made good who is subsequently screwed over by the Establishment
who put him where he is. 'Trial' would have been very different with T1.
>Welcome, Lisa. Pay no attention to the ones who preach heretical
Travisties. The only True Travis is the first one.
Yes, Brian's accent does strike me as being more "working class" than
Stephen's. I never really thought about whether or not that affected my
perceptions of him. It very well could have. BTW, I've seen your site on
Stephen/Travis, Una. It's terrific!
Alison wrote:
>The Federation must have mutilated the second Travis, and possibly the
first one, and implanted false memories that Blake was to blame. This would
convey two advantages: the
improvement of the prosthesis over the ordinary hand and eye, and the
emotional force it gave to his pursuit of Blake. How could they have known
that it would all go horribly wrong...
What an interesting theory! It sounds like something out of the X-Files (or
closer to the plot from the first story with Blake and his own implanted
memories). That would certainly make Travis into a victim in every sense.
Una also wrote (in response to Alison):
>No, no - officer class through and through. Absolutely. Military family.
But goes a bit bonkers and is therefore something of an embarrassment.
That's always been my theory. If Travis has been in the Military for his
entire adult life (which he mentions in 'Trial'), and if his entire life IS
the military (no outside pursuits at all), then when he does become maimed,
he could/would blame Blake for any disruption of his service. If the
establishment questioned his ability as an office because of his injuries,
that could truly ruin his psyche. Just goes to show...it's vital to 'get a
life' outside of your job!
Lisa
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:19:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: padme@bantha.org (Clavda)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] new souls for the faith
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Does this subject line ever mean anything other than hooking new viewers
on B7?
Last night I introduced those who went through B5 last year to B7.
I had thoroughly warned them that budgets were nil and styles were
seventies, so they weren't in shock at production values. We watched
the first two episodes. They really listened to the character stuff and
are already identifying with Blake's crisis of identity and memory, and
enjoying Avon's snarkiness and Gan's capable strength. One good friend
tried to slip away before the first episode, but I persuaded him to
stick around. At the end of it, he said simply "I like it". They'll be
back next week.
I was a bit dismayed when one guy started heckling some of the sillier
things: "uh, if you could hear *him* through that door maybe you should
move away from it before talking?" But, y'know, he kept it contained to
moments that deserved it; there were appreciative hushes at the right times.
I think he added value to the evening--a gentle MST3K-ing, nothing more.
A good start to the school year. ;-)
Claudia
--
"Reality is a dangerous concept." Dr. Havant, Blake's 7
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:59:37 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] the Travis comparison
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Lisa wrote:
> BTW, I've seen your site on
> Stephen/Travis, Una. It's terrific!
Thanks, Lisa. But it's only a shrine. Have you seen Angua's site? It's
absolutely brilliant - the Temple of the True Travis:
http://starriders.net/b7/
And, I suppose, you can always dally with the dark forces:
http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/5204/travis.html#top
Una
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:26:46 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Steven Pacey sightings
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Tour dates, so far, for Steven Pacey in A FAMILY AFFAIR:
Theatre Royal, Brighton 4 - 9 December =20
Regent Theatre, Stoke-on-Trent 16 - 21 October =20
Arts Theatre, Cambridge 23 - 28 October =20
Theatre Royal, Bath 6 - 11 November =20
Churchill Theatre Bromley, Bromley 20 - 25 November =20
Festival Theatre, Malvern 11 - 16 December =20
Richmond Theatre, Richmond 27 November - 2 December =20
Yvonne Arnaud Theatre, Guildford 13 - 18 November =20
A FAMILY AFFAIR, Play Credits: Author: Agnes Jaoui, Author: Jean-Pierre=20
Bacri, Company, organisation: Theatre Royal Bath Productions, Director: Andy=
=20
de la Tour, Design: Saul Radomsky, Performer: Rik Mayall, Performer: Steven=20
Pacey, Performer: Anne Reid, Performer: Susan Wooldridge Production Company:=
=20
Theatre Royal Bath Productions=20
=20
Synopsis:
A family get-together like no other. Henry's mother, brother and=20
sister-in-law turn up to celebrate a birthday. But Henry has missed his=20
brother's crucial television appearance, his mother has brought the most=20
inappropriate present and his younger sister is in trouble with both her bos=
s=20
and her secret boyfriend. Poor Henry is at the end of his tether, only to=20
discover his wife has disappeared and his favourite dog seems about to=20
breathe its last.
-----------------
Steven also has another book on tape due out soon:
Wordsworth: a life=20
Author: Juliet Barker=20
Publisher: Penguin Audiobooks =20
SUMMARY:
Sage, seer and Poet Laureate; this biography seeks to present William=20
Wordsworth - one of Britain's foremost poets - as both a public icon and a=20
private, family man.=20
ARTIST: Read by Steven Pacey
PRICE: =A313.00=20
FORMAT: Audiobook on cassette=20
ISBN: 0-14-180120-4 =20
------------
Fans of Steven's audio work might also keep an eye out for his reading of=20
HAVANA BAY, by Martin Cruz Smith, Macmillan Audio Books, 1999. A London=20
friend of mine recently turned up a bargain price copy of it for me.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:44:49 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Subject: [B7L] Merch. Query
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Can someone tell me if the poster books are different from the
B7 monthlies? Or if there is a site somewhere listing the 'official'
merchandise from the original era? I've check Judith P's site, but
can't find what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:49:14 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Una McCormack wrote:
> The main entry on h2g2 yesterday was B7. I think you can link to it from:
> http://www.h2g2.com/A425954
>
> Spot the mistakes!
Well, I'm thinking you wrote the entry on Dayna ;-)
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:20:31 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna
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Ellynne wrote:
> As for her and Avon, I think she did love him but she didn't trust him.
> She might make some sacrifices for him but risking her life wasn't too
> high on the list - and she would draw on him first.
I think the question of whether Anna loved Avon rather depends
on how you define 'love'. For example the behaviour you describe
above would immediately _eliminate_ love from the words I might
choose from. The only case I can think of in which I might love
someone and not trust them is as a parent. Love requires an open
heart, but mistrust is witness of a closed one. This is why I think
that when Anna asked 'Do you trust me?' and Avon said 'I'm afraid
I do,' it was a far more eloquent portrayal of his love for her than
if he had said 'I love you'. He had opened up his heart to her. To
turn it around - would you feel loved if you knew your partner
mistrusted you? I wouldn't.
The same thing goes for drawing on him first - if her instinct tells
her to kill him rather than explain things, it's not what I'd call love.
He might not have loved her any longer, but likeliest they'd have
both lived through it if she'd made a full confession.
I would say that she probably cared for him more than she'd ever
cared for anyone else, as much as she was capable of - and that
she was surprised by the strength of her feelings. But it never
crossed the line from attachment, affection, caring into something
I would recognize as love, although it was a factor in how she
managed the wrap-up of the investigation. But in the end, she
chose her own safety _at his expense_.
I think we've discussed this all before, however (and I cannot
believe I am talking about Anna Grant again, of all people); but
at least I've a new theory that I don't remember seeing proposed
since I've been here (though I haven't adopted it as personal
canon): when Avon didn't return from buying the exit visas, Anna
knew that something must have gone wrong, and she sprang the
trap in order to interrogate his acquaintances _so that she could
find him and help him_. She needed speed and couldn't afford
to just ask questions surreptitiously. But since he was helped by
strangers, none of those collected knew anything, and she gave
him up for dead. Hm. Of course that scenario requires her dying
words to be a lie at worst, metaphorical at best.
Mistral
(Who thinks the whole point of Anna as a character is to
demonstrate yet again how incompetent Avon is at deciding
who to trust and who not to.)
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:50:41 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Lisa Rowland wrote:
> Mistral wrote:
>
> >Sometimes I think Travis II brings out my few maternal instincts - I want
> to give him a hug and make it all better. (EW! I can't believe I SAID that!
> Must be tireder than I thought.) Are you watching the broadcasts on KBTC?
>
> LOL! Now THAT's something I would NOT have thought of! Yes, I'm watching
> KBTC. If you've seen it, you may have noticed the new format they're
> broadcasting Dr. Who. Thank goodness they don't have that choice with B7!
Ew, yes. Can't believe that (1) it's more expensive in that format,
even though we don't actually get a whole story per week any
more, and (2) the fans actually ASKED them to do it that way!
However, my real pet peeve with KBTC is that they act as if
B7 is unimportant in the Saturday night programming line-up. All
their emphasis is on Who and the Britcoms. They actually skipped
an ep or two of B7 this time through, or else they rescheduled it
without listing it in the TV Guide. Though at least B7 is the one
in prime time, whether that means anything on a Saturday.
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:30:16 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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I have to admit, many of the reasons I take things a certain way in
Rumors is because of things outside the actual text.
1) Anna _did_ let Avon go.
Reasons: 1) Avon's not going to be nearly so miserable if she didn't.
2) It makes their story more interesting.
Problems: 1) So what's Avon doing on that prison ship?
Possible solutions: 1) He got caught on something else (the smaller bit
of theft Vila refers to). 2) He needed to get off the planet and was
also rather down. He realized no one checks prison ships for illegal
emigrants. Then, it was just a matter of arranging his escape - probably
originally intended to be some rebellion or rebellion sympathetic ships
(or maybe he _did_ hack into some financial records and hired some
mercenaries). Hence, he delays agreeing to help Blake's mutiny till the
time is right (probably reasoning that it's safer to have the crew
dealing with internal problems at the time of the attack and to limit the
captain's ability to execute all the prisoners when he's faced with the
choice of doing that or handing them over). Unfortunately, Liberator
trashes the rescue fleet (I still need an added reason coming out of all
this for why he felt so proprietory towards Liberator and for how he
wound up in the hands of Federation interrogators and could have spilled
what he knew about a certain, bug painting friend [in Rumors, he
obviously has no doubts about his ability to withstand prolonged torture,
but he could have been exaggerating about his chance to spill the beans
on Tynus]).
2) Anna's revolution made some kind of sense.
Reason: I think we're supposed to have some respect for her intellect
that just isn't there once I start considering everything that seemed to
be wrong with what she did.
Problems: Plenty
Solutions: Extremely elaborate plot complications far too lengthy to give
here.
3) Anna wasn't democratically inclined
Reason: I like the idea that she was supposed to be established as
deadly, competent, manipulative, and ruthless.
Problems: None I can't deal with.
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:37:40 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] h2g2
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Mistral:
> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > The main entry on h2g2 yesterday was B7. I think you can link to it
from:
> > http://www.h2g2.com/A425954
> >
> > Spot the mistakes!
>
> Well, I'm thinking you wrote the entry on Dayna ;-)
Guiltless!
Una
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:01:45 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting
preferences)
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Neil,
>Seen it twice, actually. Enjoyed it, but can't say I loved it. There were
>certainly some brilliant moments (the duel between Wesley and Inigo stands
>out) but it didn't seem to have any firm direction in which to point its
>satirical dagger.
>
>It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent or more of
>the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent swords'n'sorcery film.
>'Hawk the Slayer' probably came closest to matching the genre, yet was
>dreadful. 'Excalibur' is probably still the best of its kind, though rooted
>in legend rather than a true other-worldly fantasy tradition.
>'Dragonslayer' was just too twee, and barbarian picaresques make me switch
>off. They're only worth watching to see if the bird gets her kit off.
You've made a good point about fantasy films, particularly the ones you
mentioned by name. That said, I liked 'The Princess Bride' because I
thought that it was a good fantasy film, with the emphasis on romance and
comedy. To be fair, it wasn't intended to be satrical.
Murray
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:59:48 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Una wrote:
<Ooh, it's a tough call, but in the final analysis I would have to say that
Anna heresy is *probably* the greater sin. I would insist on all three
Mysteries of the Rosary for that one, whereas for Travis heresy I'd just
give a Hail Holy Queen, an Our Father, and a demand for great wodges of
cash.>
I don't know any Mysteries, sorry. Would saying three compliments for
Animals do (they'd be fairly mysterious-without-a-capital)?
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:17:47 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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In a message dated 9/27/00 8:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
> From: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>
> > You actually saw the movie?
> >
> > Morrigan
> > who was convinced only women knew of the existence of "The Princess
> Bride."
> >
> Seen it twice, actually. Enjoyed it, but can't say I loved it.
Inconceivable!
<snip>
>
They're only worth watching to see if the bird gets her kit off.
>
> Neil the Curmudgeonly
And here I was thinking your hobby was watching the ones with feathers...
Morrigan
"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be
somebody else." Dave Matthews
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:30:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Merch. Query
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On Wed 27 Sep, mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the poster books are different from the
> B7 monthlies? Or if there is a site somewhere listing the 'official'
> merchandise from the original era? I've check Judith P's site, but
> can't find what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Dang! Something I haven't got on the site yet. Yes, they are different. There
were 7 poster mags and they were pretty poor overall though the posters weren't
bad. The fiction ranged from good to terrible. I still recall the writer who
mentioned Avon's BLUE eyes.
They were just a poster with a story and a bit of blurb on the back.
Judith
PS. We're working on the site library this week. It should be up with a few
initial stories next week. We'd love to have more stories - I'm happy to
consider a wide range of stuff. My tastes are eclectic.
--
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:59:49 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>and a demand for great wodges of cash.
Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just found
a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:51:43 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting
preferences)
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Neil wrote:
> It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent or more of
> the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent swords'n'sorcery film.
..and I thought, "But you've forgotten about, um, er..."
Star Wars isn't a bad one, though.
This came up during one of the panels at (I think) Redemption: there's
a resurgence of interest in fantasy on TV, but little of it is epic
fantasy. Xena and Herc, but most of it's either contemporary or sf.
My theory was horses: cost too much.
steve
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:37:40 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting
preferences)
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Una:
> Another woman to add to your tally. The book is just as funny as well, and
> has a brilliant map.
Really? It's sitting on the shelves, but it's near the bottom of the
to-be-read pile, metaphorically. Someone else read it recently, and said
they found it to be tedious.
However, while on holiday in Castleton a few years ago, it was fun to go
traipsing around looking for PB locations. :-)
steve
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:25:07 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
Message-ID: <LjVkSLADB2z5EwHX@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <a1.b0b929d.2700345a@aol.com>, Pherber@aol.com writes
>I have a definite preference for spiral binding, pretty much for the same
>reasons others have mentioned. I don't mind the tape & glue system, except
>that sometimes the glue comes apart -- is there an easy way to fix that?
>I've got several zines where I have to be careful because chunks of pages
>have come loose.
Hot glue gun - it uses a thermoplastic glue similar to those found in
thermal binding systems. I bought a baby one for about five pounds for
other purposes, and discovered it was very useful for repairing books
and zines. But practice first...
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:56:46 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
Message-ID: <sOp9ZAAukL05EwID@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <4.1.20000925223358.009882a0@mail.powersurfr.com>, Penny
Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com> writes
>>Do you view the character as the SAME character, or do you
>>see them as individuals?
>
>I see two actors playing a single character, pre- and post-mental meltdown.
Summing up very nicely why I like them both.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:48:51 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mary Ridge
Message-ID: <nFePrFAzuQ05Ew4Z@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <Marcel-1.46-0926192437-199Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith
Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> writes
>News has just reached us of the recent death of Mary Ridge. Mary was the
>director of Terminal, Rescue, Power, Animals, Headhunter and Blake.
<snip>
>
>I wish I'd had the chance to meet her.
So do I. An excellent director, who managed to make the most of bad
scripts, and pure delight of good ones. It was wonderful to hear her on
the "Solstice" Together Again tape - a fascinating woman, with an
ability to talk to an audience without talking down. I never met her,
but I'm still saddened to hear of her death.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:29:56 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
Message-ID: <OTMlONAkF2z5EwE6@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <01C026D4.8C564480.tavia@btinternet.com>, Tavia Chalcraft
<tavia@btinternet.com> writes
>What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
>combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
>work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Ick.
One of the things it will do is make your zine look like some of the
zines of old where the authors typed their stories in a bewildering
array of fonts, and the publisher (*not* editor) assembled them into one
volume.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:08:23 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Princess Bride
Message-ID: <KNDE5GAHDY05Ewd1@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <003001c0283f$c25b7c00$1a64e0d1@0z4g4>, huh <huh@ccm.net>
writes
>On the other hand, no one has understood my Leah Rosenthal Avon/Blake
>cartoon at work which implies a severe shortage of B7 fans.
Whereas my boss understood the Bizarro cartoon above my desk well enough
to order me to take it down before someone was offended by it. It's a
good thing it wasn't "Whoops, mind-wiped on the lube":-)
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:27:50 +0100
From: "Wildean" <wildean@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>, "Lisa Williams" <lcw@dallas.net>
Subject: Kak virus info
Message-ID: <002001c028da$b3820c80$801c883e@s5e8f3>
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Sorry about the dramatic text message (if you received it).
If not, you (may) have the Kakworm virus.
Your last email (QAF disk 1 details) brought up the following error
message:
"An ActiveX control on this page is not safe.
"Your current security settings prohibit running unsafe controls on
this page.
"As a result, this page may not display as intended."
When I received an infected email (from the Blakes 7 list) the exact
same error message appeared.
One of the subsequent mails was from the List Administrator, warning
about the KakWorm virus thing being present in the email concerned,
also providing the followimng useful information.
> The Symantec Antivirus website
> has a writeup on it, including a link to a tool that should fix the
damage
> if the script has already been run. It also refers you to a patch
which
> should fix the MS Outlook security hole which allows the thing to
execute
> in the first place.
>
> The Symantec page on this worm is at:
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html .
>
> And if you don't have virus-checking software examining your email
as it
> downloads, I'd suggest that you do so. And make sure you keep it up
to
> date. Switching to another email client program would be a good
idea, too;
> Outlook Express has more than its share of security holes, plus it's
widely
> used, so is often targeted by email worms like this. At the very
least,
> make sure you have installed any recommended patches and activate
whatever
> security features it's got.
May I suggest that you
a. check and disinfect your systems
b. Upgrade Outlook Express (so that it will warn you of potential
errors
c. Contact everyone in your address book and get them to check as
well.
I'm sorry about all this extra work for you.
Pat
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:45:17 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Welcome back
Message-ID: <18.2d1bc2a.2703e08d@aol.com>
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Julia,
Nice to see you back on list; we missed you. I hope the move wasn't too
stressful. Welcome to the US - and no, not everyone is a lunatic though
sometimes it does seem that way, especially when driving.
Morrigan
"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be
somebody else." Dave Matthews
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:26:15 +0100
From: "Wildean" <wildean@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>, "Lisa Williams" <lcw@dallas.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Kak virus info
Message-ID: <006e01c028e3$6cdec580$9d26883e@s5e8f3>
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Terribly sorry about that. I replied to the wrong message.
Please disregard
Pat
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:16:46 -0400
From: "Doraleen McArthur" <d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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From: Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com>
> Nonononono ... the great thing about *that* ending is there isn't actually
> any of the characters in 'Blake' that actually *can't* be resurrected. (I
am
> Firmly and Unswervably of the Opinion that Blake, Avon and Vila survived.
> And Servie - who wasn't even *in* it - got killed on the way to GP.)
Oh, tell me I'm not the only person in the world who finds "Terminal"
more depressing than "Blake". For some reason I spend all of "Terminal"
thinking "Good-bye, Zen; Good-bye Liberator; Good-bye Cally; Good-bye
curling iron guns; sniffle..." While in "Blake" I spend most of the episode
thinking "no, you idiots! Don't do it!"
--Katie
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:06:47 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
Message-ID: <58.12e185a.270401b7@aol.com>
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In a message dated 9/27/00 8:59:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
d.mcarthur@worldnet.att.net writes:
> Oh, tell me I'm not the only person in the world who finds "Terminal"
> more depressing than "Blake". For some reason I spend all of "Terminal"
> thinking "Good-bye, Zen; Good-bye Liberator; Good-bye Cally; Good-bye
> curling iron guns; sniffle..." While in "Blake" I spend most of the
episode
> thinking "no, you idiots! Don't do it!"
OK, Katie, you're not the only one. I dread "Terminal" and have it fixed in
my head that Cally dies (even though she doesn't until "Rescue") and
everything goes to hell. The only good thing about "Terminal" (at least in
my view) is the lovely interaction between Avon and Blake and GT's beard.
Morrigan
Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:59:14 +1000
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The Princess Bride
Message-ID: <4103E830BB67D211877400A0247B635E34E17A@dialup49.actonline.com.au>
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Ellynne wrote:
>Strange, in my neck of the woods, I've seen all the Monty Python's
Quest
>for the Holy Grail quoting slowly replaced by Princess Bride
quoting.
Inconceivable!
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:03:18 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000928070215.009d9b00@pop3.wish.net>
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At 07:59 28-9-00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote:
>>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>>and a demand for great wodges of cash.
>
>Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just
>found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent.
Hmph, just another bloody amateur.
Jacqueline
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:59:36 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna
Message-ID: <20000927.225938.-86437.0.rilliara@juno.com>
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:20:31 -0700 mistral@centurytel.net writes:
>
> I think the question of whether Anna loved Avon rather depends
> on how you define 'love'. For example the behaviour you describe
> above would immediately _eliminate_ love from the words I might
> choose from. The only case I can think of in which I might love
> someone and not trust them is as a parent.
Not that I'm a glutton for punishment, but I can think of _lots_ of cases
where I might love someone but not trust them. Some of its situational.
There are people I love dearly who can't be trusted to turn on the VCR or
remember their own mother's birthdays. _Generally_ trustworthy, but
always to be trusted with certain tasks.
Then there are those ethical hierarchies. In 'Memory' by Bujold, there's
a part where a character named Ivan finds out his cousin, Miles, kept a
BIG secret from him but had told his brother, Mark. Without going into
complex histories, this leads directly to the incredulous question, "You
told Mark but not _me_?" Miles can only reply that he could trust Mark
to do what he asked. He could only trust Ivan to do what he thought was
right.
Then there are cases where people you love _become_ untrustworthy, like
when a once trusted person develops a substance problem and will lie,
cheat, and steal to support it.
Then there's the fact that, sometimes, you can find yourself loving
someone who you want to trust - but you don't know if you can (in this
case, I'm thinking Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, but I'm sure there
are real life examples not involving the undead).
Argument aside, you may be right about Anna. Actually, semantics aside,
I agree with you that Anna cared deeply for Avon. Was it love? If it
was, she loved herself more. Did she trust him? She didn't trust him
enough to think he wouldn't shoot. She didn't know him well enough to
think he wouldn't shoot if she didn't draw (although, given how that
thinking got some people, this is maybe not a point to be belabored
[although I think Avon wouldn't have shot (but am I _sure_?), I also
think the way this worked out effected a decision in Blake]).
What about before Avon left Earth? She asked him if he trusted her. I
think she knew him well enough to know how important that question was -
and how important the answer was. She manipulated him, she lied to him,
she knew she wasn't worthy of his trust when she asked. The problem
remains that I'm still not certain where she was coming from. Did she
want him to trust her? Did she, right then, want to be worthy of his
trust? Did she ever want to tell him the truth? If she did, what held
her back? Loyalty to the Federation? Fear of it? Fear of losing Avon?
Fear of having him turn on her?
Oh, and let's ask the obvious. Had she ever asked Chesku if he trusted
her?
Although I'll make some solid guesses about Avon's view of Anna, I admit
the woman remains largely a mystery to me. I think she loved him - or
came as close to it as she ever would. But whatever leap of love, faith,
or selflessness was required to keep her from drawing that gun was beyond
her.
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:02:46 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences)
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:51:43 +0200 Steve Kilbane
<steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Neil wrote:
> > It strikes me as odd that swords'n'sorcery dominates 90 per cent
> or more of
> > the rolegaming hobby, but I've yet to see a decent
> swords'n'sorcery film.
>
> ..and I thought, "But you've forgotten about, um, er..."
>
> Star Wars isn't a bad one, though.
>
> This came up during one of the panels at (I think) Redemption:
> there's
> a resurgence of interest in fantasy on TV, but little of it is epic
> fantasy. Xena and Herc, but most of it's either contemporary or sf.
>
> My theory was horses: cost too much.
>
My theory is writers: too many TV folk wouldn't recognize the good ones
if the patron saints/dieties of writing from every major religion in the
world came down and told them who they were.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:36:06 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Sally wrote:
> Una wrote:
> <Ooh, it's a tough call, but in the final analysis I would have to say
that
> Anna heresy is *probably* the greater sin. I would insist on all three
> Mysteries of the Rosary for that one, whereas for Travis heresy I'd just
> give a Hail Holy Queen, an Our Father, and a demand for great wodges of
> cash.>
>
> I don't know any Mysteries, sorry. Would saying three compliments for
> Animals do (they'd be fairly mysterious-without-a-capital)?
Hmm, OK, so long as you stick a Hail Mary at the end.
Una
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:31:06 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Jacqueline wrote:
> At 07:59 28-9-00 -0500, J MacQueen wrote:
>
>
> >>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
> >>and a demand for great wodges of cash.
> >
> >Ooh, that's what I call paying for your sins. I think GITHOG have just
> >found a Jacqueline-without-Tellytubbies equivalent.
>
> Hmph, just another bloody amateur.
The Teletubbies are indeed a cruel and unusual punishment, but I prefer the
straightline simplicity of extortion.
Una
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:22 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil's conspiracy theories (was Typesetting preferences)
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steve:
> Una:
> > Another woman to add to your tally. The book is just as funny as well,
and
> > has a brilliant map.
>
> Really? It's sitting on the shelves, but it's near the bottom of the
> to-be-read pile, metaphorically. Someone else read it recently, and said
> they found it to be tedious.
It's quite possible that I'm superimposing the film over it.
Una
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:42:14 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
Message-ID: <F201jKZvVczBEEs5VFF00005234@hotmail.com>
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>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
>Hmph, just another bloody amateur.
<grin> Now there's a slogan. For someone...
Regards
Joanne
(off shortly for a longer than usual weekend)
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:41:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Tue 26 Sep, rita d'orac wrote:
> On Mon 25 Sep, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
>=20
> > By the way, Judith, I would guess (as a limited company) I will be able=
to
> > reclaim the VAT ?
>=20
> Well, I wasn't going to admit to being an accountant. Ever. But it didn=
't
> seem right to let your questions go unanswered, so here goes:
>=20
> If you are registered for VAT, you can reclaim it. You *must* register i=
f
> your turnover is over the VAT threshold, but you *may* also register if y=
our
> turnover is lower than the threshold (currently about =A352k).
But I presume that if you reclaim it, then you also have to charge it? (Th=
at
would rather defeat the object of keeping costs down)
Judith
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