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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 73
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator (was First Impressions:
"Time Squad")
[B7L] dialogue gems excerpt.
[B7L] Sally - you can't leave us _hanging_!
[B7L] Re: Greetings
[B7L] least vulnerable spots
[B7L] B7 Companions
[B7L] programme times
Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
[B7L] sexing the box (was Episode Reviews)
Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
[B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
[B7L] Orac ( ex Episode Reviews)
Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
[B7L] baiting Neil (was Greetings)
[B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
Re: [B7L] Day Jobs
Re: [B7L] Bizarro World
Re: [B7L] sexing the box (was Episode Reviews)
Re: [B7L] baiting Neil (was Greetings)
Re: [B7L] Greetings
Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator
Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
Re: (fwd) Re: [B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:28:24 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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"Time Squad")
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In a message dated 3/16/00 12:31:09 PM Mountain Standard Time,
julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes:
<< I think he'd get on with Liz Shaw... >>
Probably true - I'd forgotten about her. In fact, she might well be the one
Avon would get along best with.
Nina
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:17:06 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> AVON: A blow for freedom.
> GAN: Yes, our freedom. For a clever man you're not very bright. Deaf,
> dumb and blind how are they going to catch us?
Much discussion was made a couple weeks ago about Avon p utting down
Gan's intellect. What agbout this? Looks like Gan is the one without
much patience for Avon. And the snarly one responded by criticizing
Blake's leadership. I suppose that was the best he could think of to
divert attention from being bitten by Gan's wit.
Thanks for bringing that up, Ariana.
(My apologies to everyone for being so far behind on the Lyst. My email
was down for most of the week)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:15:52 -0800
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sally - you can't leave us _hanging_!
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To Sally (and the Lyst),
What an intriguing beginning! Please do continue this story, and if =
possible finish it.
I hope I'm not sending this to the wrong list; if so, please excure.
--Ann
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:33:21 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Greetings
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Marian... did you read about a month's worth of archives before posting?
Because what you said about Nail making Avon suffer beautifully-- well
1. You got the fan phrases down... I don't know that I would have used
the phrase 'beautiful suffering' until I read it elsewhere.
and
2. Neil protested against the concept of it.
You've delighted many of us with your very first post. If you did
research the list before posting, that's a commendable thouroughness.
ANd if you simply hit upon the apropos means of introduction, you're
meant to be with us. :)
--Avona
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:27:25 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "[B7L]" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
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Watching 'Blake' and coming upon Dayna's remark about Vila's least
vulnerable spot made me wonder about that of the others.
- Vila: his head (as stated);
- Avon: his ego (more impenetrable than Liberator's forcefield);
- Cally: her whole body (it's her *mind* that gets taken over);
- Blake: his heart (even Jenna can't penetrate it);
- Jenna: her legs (fighting in that kind of footwear);
- Gan: his limiter (but when it *does* malfunction - ouch!);
- Travis: his eye patch;
- Servalan: her feet and chest (quarry strolling in high heels and low-cut
dresses);
- Dayna: the bodyparts where she hides her explosives;
- Soolin: her gun (integral part of her body);
- Tarrant: his brain (the finest sawdust - can absorb any shock...) NO!
Just joking! I don't want to bring the eternal wrath of the Tarrant Nostra
over me. Especially after Carol Mc made me so welcome. [Clever tactic,
Carol :-) - I now feel obliged to say nice things about Tarrant.] So,
correction:
- Tarrant: his perm (even when he crash lands there's not a curl out of
place).
Marian (going into hiding anyway...)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:48:41 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7 Companions
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> >Adric on the other hand - remember how his people could suffer major
> >injuries and recover quickly? B7 wouln't have made the DW mistake of
> >underusing this talent ("Looks dangerous, send Adric." "They're shooting,
> >send Adric." "We don't know how bad that plague is, send Adric." etc).
> >How long Adric would have put up with this kind of treatment is another
> >story.
>
And if they didn't demote him from extremely curious and clever youth to
passive yet precocious little boy, as they seemed to in DW, he might
have been *liked*. Avon enjoys teaching, especially someone who's a
quick study. And Vila would have had a younger and therefore subordinate
person he could stick with some of the dirty work.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:50:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] programme times
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The Web in on Sat 18 March at 16.05 on BBC2
Seek Locate Destroy is on Sat 25 March at 15.35 on BBC2
Mission to Destiny is Sunday 19 at 8.20 am on UK Gold
Duel is Sunday 26 at 8.00am on UK Gold
(we'll be keeping these dates and times on the top page of the web site
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 )
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:50:21 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: maya@multiweb.nl, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
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Marian wrote (among a list of good things...)
<Blake: his heart (even Jenna can't penetrate it);>
But <blankly confused look> *Inga* did...yes, I know the three Alphas all
had bloody awful taste in women, but fancying Inga over Jenna ?!?!?
<I now feel obliged to say nice things about Tarrant.>
I wouldn't if I were you <veg> it's even more dangerous than being nasty
about the Many-Toothed One. I had to take a New Years Resolution not to say
*anything* nice about him...;-)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:00:31 +0200 (EET)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] sexing the box (was Episode Reviews)
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Alison wrote:
<Kai's post was particularly fascinating, coming from someone whose native
language is not Indo-European (I presume you are a Finnish speaker Kai)>
You presume correctly. I got to talking about ambiguity and of course got
so ambiguous as not to mention the name of the language. "Oma moka", as I
might say.
<I was wondering if we think of ourselves, our 'being' (hope this isn't
too
transcendental) as gendered. I'm not sure that I do. You obviously exist
as
a gendered being, but when your concept of yourself first forms, as a
pre-verbal child, is that an important part of what you are? I know Freud
would say yes, your self image forms as you identify your sexual
existence,
but I'm not convinced. I think, inside, I just think of myself as 'me', a
pre-gender idea from way back when I was a baby.>
This is interesting. I am not very well-versed in psychology but I was
thinking about the Lacanian school of literary and linguistic theory,
which emphasises the contrast between the infant's semantic "flux" and the
adult's symbolic language when I wrote my earlier post. I think the idea
is that since we divide and categorise the world through symbolic language
of fixed meanings, our self-image is shaped by the existing conventions of
this same language system, including our perception of gender. In effect,
the idea of gender and gender roles exist only in the language system of
signs and signifiers. By disrupting the norms of language, we move towards
the fluidity of meaning in pre-verbal language. How this relates to
anything here... I don't really know.
<So perhaps we need a gender-neutral term to refer to the feeling of being
a
sentient entity, which we could then apply to sentient artificial minds
(if
they are ever made) and aliens without human gender, and of course to gods
(at least the sexless ones).>
It would at least be an interesting concept.
Kai
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:10:03 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
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Sally wrote:
>Marian wrote (among a list of good things...)
>
><Blake: his heart (even Jenna can't penetrate it);>
>
>But <blankly confused look> *Inga* did...yes, I know the three Alphas all
>had bloody awful taste in women, but fancying Inga over Jenna ?!?!?
Inga was family. I always see that as a brotherly kiss. He can't have
loved her very much, otherwise he couldn't have left her, surely? :-)
><I now feel obliged to say nice things about Tarrant.>
>I wouldn't if I were you <veg> it's even more dangerous than being nasty
>about the Many-Toothed One. I had to take a New Years Resolution not to say
>*anything* nice about him...;-)
Maybe we should not say anything about him at all? :-)
Marian
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:00:22 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
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From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
>On Tue 14 Mar, Andrew Ellis wrote:
>> .......For example I once asked if somebody
>> could explain what all the TLA's mean. ......
>speaking as a psychology student - the larger a group is percieved to be,
the
>less likely any individual is to offer help. Basically, they all assume
that
>someone else will do it. The bigger the group, the more people there are
who
>may do it.
Some people even take the trouble to tell you that there are not going to
tell you.
That made me laugh to.
Andrew
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:15:37 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The nature of WEB sites.
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Several posts on this subject from Neil, Ebony, Alison, Judith, Julia =
and Marian on this subject in reply to my defence of new web sites (and =
the material therein) from newbies. This reply is not to any one of them =
in particular, and just like Ebony's post, this one is not intended to =
cause offence (not even to Neil - I just don't agree with him).
The first was from Neil
From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>Andrew wrote
>> <moan mode on It just means that you need to take your time before =
you post something new. And I know I am taking my time on preparing the =
case for why the Federation was NOT evil, ...... <moan mode off>
Neil Replied=20
>The idea that the Federation is not evil is hardly new - I first =
encountered it about ten years ago, when I first entered fandom, and I =
doubt if it was all that novel then. It's probably getting harder and =
harder to think of something that is genuinely fresh, that has never =
been covered before, and probably harder still in terms of Big Concepts.
Neil put some good points forward in a very constructive fashion. But =
what IS new is my opinion on the subject of the evil Federation. I am =
enjoying the exercise of putting something together, that is what really =
counts, and when I have finished, I would like to discuss it with =
friends. And if it turns out that I eventually come out with the answer =
that was obtained by even Neil's predecessors (some of whom are still =
around), then who has lost out ?
On the other hand, if we are only willing to talk about something that =
is genuinely fresh, or even a Big Concept then really what is the point. =
I hope people with Neil's view don't get bored at Redemption (or any =
other gathering of fans), with all that pawing over old ground, I intend =
to have a jolly good time.
Just a thought, people still study Shakespeare after all these years. =
And I don't mean at school, or University. I mean people really study =
Shakespeare, for fun, for enlightenment, for personal enrichment. Some =
of them even write books and set up web sites. Can't be much new stuff =
though, not after all this time.
Neil said in a second post
> repeating the same old timeworn guff *is* bad form. If it's committed =
in ignorance fuelled by enthusiasm, then it can be put down
to inexperience. If it's a conscious imitation of what has already been =
done to death a thousand times over, it's a pointless waste of my time =
and the author's.
I could not disagree more. Enough has been said on the value to SOME =
people of examining old issues, so I won't repeat it here ! Here is a =
friendly challenge just to Neil. How many of your last, say 20, posts =
actually contributed a genuinely new concept, or was even "fresh". =
Remember to check back over 22 years of paper, electronic and verbal =
contributions to fandom.
Ebony actually managed to voice some of my vague perceptions up to now.
> Any idiot has a 'right' to string .... words together, surely? You =
don't have to read them if you don't want to. =20
>Fan lore (IMHO) is contributed to by fans of all backgrounds and all =
levels of intelligence, a patchwork of ideas and theories woven =
together, some original and interesting and some fairly boring, that =
seems to have evolved in a very haphazard, illogical way over the years.
>Call me a dormouse or whatever, but new talent is often stunted by such =
very high expectations. =20
and I'd just like to echo that here, just like Alison, who went on to =
say...
>' 90% of anything is shit'. But you have to allow the 90% to get the =
10%.=20
Now good old Theodore didn't know about the internet, and today, he =
would probably say more like 98%. But I do return to the point that this =
is not a scientific endeavour we are embarking on. There is no big =
"right" answer out there, so actually, a reasonable portion of the 98% =
is actually stimulating and useful.
> So, all in all, I'd like to put in a good word for kindness to =
newcomers. And continuing kindness to oldsters. {Alison}
Or people with lots of time to do web sites, or even people short of =
time who sometimes rush their posts.
Neil also insightfully said
> This .... assumes that any new input is automatically 'fresh' and =
genuinely insightful, which is not necessarily the case. Though of =
course it can be and sometimes is.
Exactly. And if it takes a mortal man a lot of hard work to get there, =
who are we to stifle that. And sometimes a more up to date presentation =
is of significant value, even if there are no new concepts. What you are =
doing there is reaching a new audience.=20
And reaching a new audience is exactly what the BBC are doing right now. =
I mean there are no new concepts, and nothing is fresh in repeats, but I =
know several people who are watching it, and are talking about it for =
the first time in 18 (?) years. Excellent stuff. Well done the BBC if =
you are reading this. We even have people contributing to "first =
impressions" on this list, and I would like to encourage that in a very =
friendly and open manner.
But going all the way back to the beginning of all of this. I agree with =
Julia that Michael did kind of create the wrong first impression. So I =
guess at the finish of it all, its not whether your idea's are new and =
fresh, or old and stale, its how you present them that counts.=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Several posts on this =
subject from=20
Neil, Ebony, Alison, Judith, Julia and Marian on this subject in reply =
to my=20
defence of new web sites (and the material therein) from newbies. This =
reply is=20
not to any one of them in particular, and just like Ebony's post, this =
one is=20
not intended to cause offence (not even to Neil - I just don't agree =
with=20
him).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>The first was from =
Neil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: Neil Faulkner <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:N.Faulkner@tesco.net">N.Faulkner@tesco.net</A>><BR></FO=
NT>>Andrew=20
wrote<BR>>> <moan mode on It just means that you need to =
take=20
your time before you post something new. And I know I am taking my time =
on=20
preparing the case for why the Federation was NOT evil, ...... <moan =
mode=20
off><BR>Neil Replied </DIV>
<DIV>>The idea that the Federation is not evil is hardly new - I =
first=20
encountered it about ten years ago, when I first entered fandom, and I =
doubt if=20
it was all that novel then. It's probably getting harder and harder to =
think of=20
something that is genuinely fresh, that has never been covered before, =
and=20
probably harder still in terms of Big Concepts.</DIV>
<DIV><BR> </DIV>
<DIV>Neil put some good points forward in a very constructive fashion. =
But what=20
IS new is my opinion on the subject of the evil Federation. I am =
enjoying the=20
exercise of putting something together, that is what really counts, and =
when I=20
have finished, I would like to discuss it with friends. And if it turns =
out that=20
I eventually come out with the answer that was obtained by even Neil's=20
predecessors (some of whom are still around), then who has lost =
out=20
?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On the other hand, if we are only willing to talk about something =
that is=20
genuinely fresh, or even a Big Concept then really what is the point. I =
hope=20
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gathering of=20
fans), with all that pawing over old ground, I intend to have a jolly =
good=20
time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just a thought, people still study Shakespeare after all these =
years. And I=20
don't mean at school, or University. I mean people really study =
Shakespeare, for=20
fun, for enlightenment, for personal enrichment. Some of them even write =
books=20
and set up web sites. Can't be much new stuff though, not after all this =
time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Neil said in a second post</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> repeating the same old timeworn guff *is* bad form. If it's =
committed=20
in ignorance fuelled by enthusiasm, then it can be put down<BR>to=20
inexperience. If it's a conscious imitation of what has already =
been done=20
to death a thousand times over, it's a pointless waste of my time and =
the=20
author's.<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I could not disagree more. Enough has been said on the value to =
SOME people=20
of examining old issues, so I won't repeat it here ! Here is a friendly=20
challenge just to Neil. How many of your last, say 20, posts actually=20
contributed a genuinely new concept, or was even "fresh". =
Remember to=20
check back over 22 years of paper, electronic and verbal contributions =
to=20
fandom.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ebony actually managed to voice some of my vague perceptions up to=20
now.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Any idiot has a 'right' to string .... words together, =
surely? =20
You don't have to read them if you don't want to. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>>Fan lore (IMHO) is contributed to by fans of all backgrounds =
and all=20
levels of intelligence, a patchwork of ideas and theories woven =
together, some=20
original and interesting and some fairly boring, that seems to have =
evolved in a=20
very haphazard, illogical way over the years.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>>Call me a dormouse or whatever, but new talent is often stunted =
by such=20
very high expectations. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and I'd just like to echo that here, just like Alison, who went on =
to=20
say...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>>' 90% of anything is shit'. But you have to allow the 90% to =
get the=20
10%. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now good old Theodore didn't know about the internet, and today, he =
would=20
probably say more like 98%. But I do return to the point that this is =
not a=20
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:33:35 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Orac ( ex Episode Reviews)
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Plenty of sexual stereotypes for both male and female. But I think neuter
actually. Not for any "its just a box" kind of argument, I just couldn't
stand the thought of a nursery full of little Orac's.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:14:42 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: maya@multiweb.nl, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Sally and Marian wrote:
> >
><Blake: his heart (even Jenna can't penetrate it);>
>
>But <blankly confused look> *Inga* did...yes, I know the three Alphas all
>had bloody awful taste in women, but fancying Inga over Jenna ?!?!?
Inga was family. I always see that as a brotherly kiss. He can't have
loved her very much, otherwise he couldn't have left her, surely? :-)
>
>I wouldn't if I were you <veg> it's even more dangerous than being nasty
>about the Many-Toothed One. I had to take a New Years Resolution not to say
>*anything* nice about him...;-)
> Maybe we should not say anything about him at all? :-)
What, and lose half the list?
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:20:17 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "[B7L]" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] baiting Neil (was Greetings)
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Lisa commented on my remarks about Neil's story:
> Just joined the list and already she's baiting Neil.
What baiting? I paid him a compliment. :-)
Marian
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:28:55 -0000
From: "Ebony" <ebonyben@indigo.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
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Neil, thanks for taking the time to answer my post. You said:
> If only I could be half so forbidding... No, of course not - as I've said,
> it's got nothing to do with intelligence, and if I end up bored by
something
> then that's ultimately my loss. I'm going to turn this one around and
> suggest that you are trying to deny me the right to criticise:)
Not quite :-) I said nothing at the beginning because I could see your
point as far as the site in question was concerned; even if I had totally
disagreed with you, I do accept your right to hold an opinion. What
prompted me to post was the way in which you then went on to *express* that
opinion, so... I think I may have been attempting to deny your right to
criticise *in the manner in which you saw fit*. Put like that it doesn't
sound to good, I agree, but any further discussion on this would probably
wander towards the dreaded Myers-Briggs F/T difference, so I'll stop here
<g>.
Ebony
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:13:32 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
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Dana,
Lovely thoughts. Most amuzing.
>2. Is the gonging noise/yellow bars of light when Zen first responds the
>Windows 3000 logo? And have they got the stability problem sorted out YET?
Nah, and look what happens when it crashes. If you don't spot the hull
sensors dropping out its curtains for the whole system !
>3. Why doesn't Zen ever say "You've got mail"--is Blake concerned about the
>ability to track Federation Online users? Or did he get the credit card
bill
>with 46 hours logged on to Ultravixens of Freedom City?
Well, to start with, nobody knew the e-mail address, but because this bunch
of criminals are so against paying their phone bills, they rush of to a
Federation IP routing station, go through an elaborate ploy steal the core
of the switch and bypass the whole billing system. They even lie to Blake
and tell him its for breaking Federation codes, when everybody knows that
Zen could do that anyway.
>
>5. Why is she called ServaLAN when she stands alone?
Well that explains why she is unlucky in love. Can YOU ever find a network
administrator to tend to your LANserver.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:45:05 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Day Jobs
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In "Powerplay," Avon tells Tarrant that he wants to make a deal before the
unsubtle Sergeant Klegg has a chance to "inflict extreme pain and suffering"
on him. This sounds less like a statement from someone who is used to
getting worked over than someone who is used to drafting tort complaints.
Think about it. What do we call people who are clever, arrogant, highly
verbal, precise to the point of pedantry, NEVER stop arguing, have lots of
black suits, lie early and often, and would embezzle five million credits as
soon as look at you?
Lawyers.
IMAO (In my Avonic Opinion--I'm right, who gives a monkey's what you think,
you're immune to logic anyway) the true first contact between Blake and Avon
came about when Blake was one of the engineers who designed the Ford
Metapinto (explodes when you rear-end it--or even look at it hard) and Avon
was one of plaintiffs' counsel.
-(Y)
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Beautiful Suffering
> In popular entertainment, violence is always a more respectable subject
than
> sex, and conditioning leads to a certain amount of sexualization of
> violence. If you're a Renaissance cardinal with a palazzo full of
paintings
> of half-dressed good-looking young men, people will call you pagan or
worse.
> Fill the place with paintings of half-dressed good-looking young men dying
> horribly, you're devout. Sooner or later, you'll start to think of arrows
as
> accessories (and react to an attractive fellow by thinking "Gee, I'd sure
> like to stick an....arrow into him.") In a war movie, it's OK to cradle
your
> dying comrade in your arms, but not one with an indefinite life expectancy
> and a grin on his face.
> Imagine two hypothetical B7 scripts, both centering around the archetypal
> charged situation. In both, Blake gets tired of doing the same thing over
> and over again and decides to cut to the car chase.
> Alternative #1: backhands Avon across the mouth
> Alternative #2: tonsil hockey.
> Reasonable minds (oh, wait! list members) could disagree about the
canonical
> authority, plausibility, effect on Blake's life expectancy, or arousal
value
> of the two scenarios. But in the 1978-1981 time period, the BBC would
> consider Alternative #1 an acceptable script and Alternative #2 an
entirely
> unacceptable one.
>
> Anyway, fandom (and especially fanfic) includes many (or many, many)
women.
> Often, women feel that the men they are involved with don't
> understand/appreciate/communicate with them. It's more enjoyable to
imagine
> that your mate is unable to express his volcanic emotions because of his
> Secret Sorrows than that he's forgotten you're alive because it's
> football/baseball/World Cup/Federation destroying season.
> Generally, Blake annoys the people close to him inadvertently, through
> sublime lack of consonance between his vision and actual events. Avon
> deliberately winds people up after intensive attention to what would
REALLY
> get to them. Many people prefer the attention.
> -(Y)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
>
>
> > On Tue 14 Mar, Andrew Ellis wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm unlike Niel in that I have not been on line for 10 years.
> >
> > I laughed out loud at this bit!
> >
> > Neil, have you been on line a year yet? I don't think it's even that
> long.
> >
> > > I'm learning the rules as we go along. partly because thats the best
> way, and
> > > partly because people don't always help. For example I once asked if
> somebody
> > > could explain what all the TLA's mean. First reply - not on this list
go
> away
> > > (it might not have been Lysator - people here are usually only that
rude
> when
> > > favourite characters are slighted !). Next time I try, I ask if a URL
> exists
> > > where I could go and see. This time silence (from this list). OK no
> problem,
> > > but be patient whilst I learn.
> >
> > speaking as a psychology student - the larger a group is percieved to
be,
> the
> > less likely any individual is to offer help. Basically, they all assume
> that
> > someone else will do it. The bigger the group, the more people there
are
> who
> > may do it.
> >
> > There's also 'compassion fatigue'. I used to post unsub instructions
> every time
> > someone tried to do it the wrong way. Eventually, I got tired of doing
it
> over
> > and over again. I just leave the instructions on the web site and hope
> that
> > people will have the sense to look for leaving instructions in the same
> place
> > they found joining instructions.
> >
> > Judith
> > --
> > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
> > pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs,
Gareth
> > Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
> > Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:54:34 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bizarro World
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From Avon's viewpoint, B7 is just a bizarro world of fandom. In the first,
he has few/no friends (as discussed earlier) and gets concussed at least
twice as often as kissed. In the second, he is widely though by no means
universally liked, admired, and acclaimed as Thinking Sentient Entity's
Space Crumpet. All he needs is a crossover...
-(Y)
FROM THE FEDERATION VIDEO ARCHIVES:
"Liberator!" (Abrams/Zucker/Abrams)
BLAKE: Do you like gladiator movies, Joey?
VILA: I sure picked the wrong week to give up smoking/drinking/Soma...
"Body Heat"
SERVALAN: You're not very smart. I like that in a man.
TARRANT: What else do you like? I got lazy, ugly, horny...
SERVALAN: You don't _look_ lazy
"Doctor in the Spaceship"
CALLY: What's the bleeding time, nurse?
GAN: Two o'clock, but there's no call for that kind of language..."
"The Importance of Being Avon"
AVON: (after polishing off the whole plateful) ORAC, do you mean to tell me
there are no cucumber sandwiches? They were specially ordered for Aunt
Servalan."
ORAC: There were no cucumbers to be had.
AVON: No cucumbers in all of Sector Eleven?
ORAC: No sir. Not even for five million credits of ready money.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Beautiful Suffering
> In popular entertainment, violence is always a more respectable subject
than
> sex, and conditioning leads to a certain amount of sexualization of
> violence. If you're a Renaissance cardinal with a palazzo full of
paintings
> of half-dressed good-looking young men, people will call you pagan or
worse.
> Fill the place with paintings of half-dressed good-looking young men dying
> horribly, you're devout. Sooner or later, you'll start to think of arrows
as
> accessories (and react to an attractive fellow by thinking "Gee, I'd sure
> like to stick an....arrow into him.") In a war movie, it's OK to cradle
your
> dying comrade in your arms, but not one with an indefinite life expectancy
> and a grin on his face.
> Imagine two hypothetical B7 scripts, both centering around the archetypal
> charged situation. In both, Blake gets tired of doing the same thing over
> and over again and decides to cut to the car chase.
> Alternative #1: backhands Avon across the mouth
> Alternative #2: tonsil hockey.
> Reasonable minds (oh, wait! list members) could disagree about the
canonical
> authority, plausibility, effect on Blake's life expectancy, or arousal
value
> of the two scenarios. But in the 1978-1981 time period, the BBC would
> consider Alternative #1 an acceptable script and Alternative #2 an
entirely
> unacceptable one.
>
> Anyway, fandom (and especially fanfic) includes many (or many, many)
women.
> Often, women feel that the men they are involved with don't
> understand/appreciate/communicate with them. It's more enjoyable to
imagine
> that your mate is unable to express his volcanic emotions because of his
> Secret Sorrows than that he's forgotten you're alive because it's
> football/baseball/World Cup/Federation destroying season.
> Generally, Blake annoys the people close to him inadvertently, through
> sublime lack of consonance between his vision and actual events. Avon
> deliberately winds people up after intensive attention to what would
REALLY
> get to them. Many people prefer the attention.
> -(Y)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [B7L] The nature of web sites (was episode reviews)
>
>
> > On Tue 14 Mar, Andrew Ellis wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm unlike Niel in that I have not been on line for 10 years.
> >
> > I laughed out loud at this bit!
> >
> > Neil, have you been on line a year yet? I don't think it's even that
> long.
> >
> > > I'm learning the rules as we go along. partly because thats the best
> way, and
> > > partly because people don't always help. For example I once asked if
> somebody
> > > could explain what all the TLA's mean. First reply - not on this list
go
> away
> > > (it might not have been Lysator - people here are usually only that
rude
> when
> > > favourite characters are slighted !). Next time I try, I ask if a URL
> exists
> > > where I could go and see. This time silence (from this list). OK no
> problem,
> > > but be patient whilst I learn.
> >
> > speaking as a psychology student - the larger a group is percieved to
be,
> the
> > less likely any individual is to offer help. Basically, they all assume
> that
> > someone else will do it. The bigger the group, the more people there
are
> who
> > may do it.
> >
> > There's also 'compassion fatigue'. I used to post unsub instructions
> every time
> > someone tried to do it the wrong way. Eventually, I got tired of doing
it
> over
> > and over again. I just leave the instructions on the web site and hope
> that
> > people will have the sense to look for leaving instructions in the same
> place
> > they found joining instructions.
> >
> > Judith
> > --
> > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
> > pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs,
Gareth
> > Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
> > Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:54:44 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] sexing the box (was Episode Reviews)
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At 09:46 AM 17/03/00 +0000, Alison Page wrote:
>So perhaps we need a gender-neutral term to refer to the feeling of being a
>sentient entity, which we could then apply to sentient artificial minds (if
>they are ever made) and aliens without human gender, and of course to gods
>(at least the sexless ones).
(Penny's Predictable Response #55) We have the gender-neutral pronouns of
"Spivak": e,em,eir,eirs,eirself.
--
For A Dread Time, Call Penny:
http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:24:05 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] baiting Neil (was Greetings)
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Marian de Haan wrote:
> Lisa commented on my remarks about Neil's story:
> > Just joined the list and already she's baiting Neil.
>
> What baiting? I paid him a compliment. :-)
Oh dear, Marian (and welcome BTW), that *is* baiting him. And if
you really want to upset him, just send him a <hug>.
Mistral
--
"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:50:32 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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Neil wrote:
<I spend hours and hours writing a pastiche/critique of the Hollywood action
movie, giving it a moral standpoint overtly antagonistic to the reactionary
values normally espoused by that genre, and what do people see? Avon
suffering beautifully!>
I don't think Neil loves us all any more...there there (Joanne, still got
those damp cloths for the forehead?)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:53:05 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator
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Being a confirmed fan of driving Avon up any wall in sight, I'd like to see
Victoria on Scorpio. She's just the sort to activate Tarrant's Galahad
complex (see Piri, Assassin) and pretty enough to get Vila on-side (somehow,
I can't see Vila looking down on someone 'cause they're easily scared).
Whereas Soolin would be holding the airlock door open for Avon to shove her
out). Oh joy…
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:37:31 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Mistral wrote:
> > Okay, "Geneticist - or artistic Londoner? (6)"
>
> <mutter, grumble> I'm stumped. What?
Novara (or Nova R.A., 'Londoner' in B7 terms obviously meaning anyone on the
flight to Cygnus Alpha)
Your turn. Or maybe try "Butcher imposed to silence hounds (6)"
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:09:14 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: [B7L] Re: Episode Reviews
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Kathryn wrote, responding to Meredith:
> > There's a difference between making a website, and making a
> > world-readable website.
>
> Except that most people don't have the option of making a private
> website. They either have a public website, or they don't have a
> website at all. So for them, the distinction which you make above is
> irrelevant.
If you can make a public website, then you can also make a private one that
just
sits on your hard drive. Whether or not you have a use for such a thing is
another matter. I've done so for all the scripts. I started out
downloading them, pasting the text into Word, and then reformatting, before
I realised that (a) this would take hours, and (b) I nearly always want to
refer to scripts when I've got the computer up and running anyway, so it
made sense to store all the scripts as html files and knock up an index
page, with links to each episode, and bookmark that in my browser.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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