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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 101
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
[B7L] Gareth Thomas
[B7L] Good news and bad news
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
[B7L] DSV 1 or 2
Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2)
[B7L] conventions
Re: [B7L] Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
[B7L] Re: Message for Pat Fenech
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2)
Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2)
[B7L] Kathryn's con reports
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
Re: [B7L] Gareth Thomas
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2)
[B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance
[B7L] Redemption t-shirts
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
Re: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
[B7L] Deliverance - ConCom View
Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:53:05 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention
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> Some of the cast, Gareth and Michael in particular, struck me as absolute
> troopers, fitting in an extra signing and carrying right onto the end of
an
> almost impossibly long queue even though they both looked very tired.
And Jan Chappell, who wandered along the queue signing autographs (a trait
she learned from me and Terrance Dicks at the Shakedown signing in 95!)
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:56:47 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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> What a terrible prospect, what they really should do is round up the
bloke
> that wrote the recent Doctorless Doctor Who novel, Face of the Enemy.
Seems
> to me he could probably do a pretty good PGP story ;-)
Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce?
I'm flattered but...
A) I'm already doing one for Judith Proctor, which may even be finished
sometime before that asteroid hits the Earth, and
B) I reckon they should get Chris Boucher to do it - he is *the* Blake's 7
writer, after all.
(But if they asked, I'd do it like a shot)
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:43:49 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Gareth Thomas
Message-ID: <19980404.113701.12023.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Is Gareth married? Does he have children?
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:43:49 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Good news and bad news
Message-ID: <19980404.113701.12023.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from
there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there
may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series
itself.
Peace,
Penny
PS...They ought to hold a contest through HORIZON for scripts...then
maybe they'd come up with a good one.
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:16:59 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
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penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
>
> Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from
> there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there
> may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series
> itself.
>
> Peace,
> Penny
>
> PS...They ought to hold a contest through HORIZON for scripts...then
> maybe they'd come up with a good one.
>
>They can't take ideas from fanfics without permission, because that would be a form of plagarism, We're being allowed to borrow series concepts for fanfics as we're not trying to make profits, and it isn't worth for anyone he time money and bad publicity involved in stopping fanfics. But they can't take what we write without permission for fear of lawsuits. However, a contest would get around that problem, because the winner would get an award and by enterin, would be giving permission for it's use. That's a great idea!
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 21:02:12 BST
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] DSV 1 or 2
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On Mon 30 Mar 98 (14:10:31 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
> Too bad for Raiker, that they had a leader of Blakes quality aboard,
> and that the DSV 1 just happened to be hanging around... >;-)
Was that not DSV 2? just out of interest have any stories been written about
how the ship got there in the first place?
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:57:19 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2)
Message-ID: <bU4WkCAv6pJ1Ew3y@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <m0yLW7r-0008r9C@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>
>Neutral Zone
>20th-22nd March 1998
>
>reported by Kathryn Andersen
>
>Friday 20th March
>
>I had breakfast with Annie and Linda, checked in to the convention -
>they spelled my surname wrong of course, so after an attempt to change
>the 'o' to an 'e' I gave up and blacked out my surname entirely,
>Judith and Julie enter from opposite sides of the stage, both wearing
^
For someone who has so much trouble with people misspelling her own
name, you are remarkably careless with the names of others :^)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:34:02 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] conventions
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penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
> Hey, gang. Its time for our next Blake Bash!
Wish it weren't such a fer piece ':(
Speaking of bashes, is anyone on this list going to the US summer sci-fi
conventions in California this summer?
BayCon on Memorial Day weekend or WesterCon over the 4th of July?
I'd be interested in finding hotel roomies for both.
Pat Patera
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:08:43 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
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Alison Page wrote:
> Themes of space and darkness.. coming up over and over again.
>
> One final question. Do we like B7 because we are ..umm.. unusual types, or
> does it drive us to it? Or like Avon, are we neither mad nor bad, just ..
> uhhh.. stressed out?
An interesting question. I was solid into Blakes7 while living in
metropolitan Southern California. The bleakness of the show seemed to
reflect the deadness of that paved over environment. And yes, life was
in the fast lane in '80s LA. At the time, I couldn't bear to rewatch my
Robin of Sherwood tapes, for they would make me yearn too dearly for the
wide Wisconsin greenleaf forests I had left behind. Now I live on the
harsh high plains desert, nestled up between the toes of the High Sierra
range. Xena seems to best personify the challenging nature of this
environment.
Unusual types? That would apply to most everyone you'd meet at any sort
of science fiction convention. People who can see beyond the veil of the
mundane must seem strange to the majority.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed (wo)man is an alien freak.
Pat
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 00:12:10 +0100
From: "Diva" <Diva@tn.prestel.co.uk>
To: "Kathryn Andersen" <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>,
"Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
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In her report
>Deliverance 1998
>27th-29th March 1998
Kathryn Andersen writes:
"It's fen that make fandom go around, never forget it".
Well I'd never have guessed it from her mean-spirited review of the
Deliverance convention. 11 pages of non-stop griping because - horror of
horrors - she had to fill in TWO forms for the art show, and other such
world-shaking stuff. There's so much I disagree with in her review that I'll
have to summarize, but some things should be said:
Kathryn complains that the con was run with "officious infefficiency" and
yet her own review makes it clear that the con staff always took pains to
get her information even if they didn't know all the answers straight away.
Hardly very officious. She also neglects to point out that this was a
charity event run by volunteers who gave up a lot of their time and missed a
lot of the events themselves so that B7 fans could come together. If she had
better ideas of how to run things, why didn't she offer to help before the
con or help with the events she criticizes? And in an 11 page review
couldn't she have had the grace to thank those people for giving her a
chance to enjoy the company of fans and guests?
As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and
I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the
kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a
smile or a picture. Yes, the autograph queues were long, but people who
missed out one day were given priority the day after, and the REASON the
queues were long was because, just like Kathryn, everyone wanted to talk to
the cast that Diane Gies and the committee worked so hard to bring to the
con. And by the way, if Diane referred to them as "my guests" I think she
earned that right by her endless hard work for B7 fans.
I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who
"make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain.
But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely
that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no
doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con
is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the
slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky
of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism.
Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come
together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look
for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So:
"I couldn't agree with you less".
Diva@tn.prestel.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:31:10 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Message for Pat Fenech
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Narrelle asked us to inform Pat Fenech that her
>novel, Witching Ways, has been shortlisted in the George Turner Award!
Congratulations, Narrelle!
I'm not sure which of us Pat will reach next, but she'll certainly get the
message before long.
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:49:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Claudia Marie <cmarie@tiac.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2)
Message-Id: <199804050049.TAA23464@shell2.tiac.net>
Thanks for all the convention reports, folks! It doesn't make up for
not being there, but it's something.
kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) wrote:
> The line wasn't moving fast, but each guest did seem to be chatting a
> bit, but some theoreticians had declared that the slowness of the line
> must be due to the garrulity of Gareth Thomas.
*laugh* Some reached the same conclusion at Visions '95 (I believe it was),
when B7 table was Gareth, Paul, and Brian Blessed. Fact is, it was at
least as much Brian's 'fault', as it was his first con ever and he was
delighting in meeting all the fans and talking about them rather than
about him (oh, he's a sweetie--I asked for a hug and he was willing and
it was the best pick-you-off-your-toes bear hug of my life).
But Gareth has that reputation, so that's what people thought. Maybe it
was even true, at Deliverance.
> The secret of projecting your voice is relaxation and practice.
"British actors don't *need* microphones!" That was the unofficial
slogan of Visions, which Brian and Gareth kept booming out.
> (Something I kept happily in mind in the fancy dress: even though I
> had a microphone, singing needs the vocal chords even more than
> speaking does.)
Oh, and if you get nervous you don't breathe deep enough and your voice
gets all wispy. I hate that.
> "More truth than real" was someone in the audience's suggestion when
> Gareth asked if we could describe acting in four words. He was
> impressed with that, but launched into his "real for now" anecdote to
> further illuminate the point.
Details? If you don't mind. :)
Claudia
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"Three million years in the future, the only suriving human
rebel is Kerr Avon, his only companions, a creature that evolved
from his pet thief, and a hologram of his dead shipmate, Gan.
Additional; it has been two months since we discovered the still
working ancient cloning facilities in deep space and Avon is
running out of Blake's to shoot." --John McKenzie
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:47:00 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neutral Zone report (1/2)
Message-ID: <19980405124700.61586@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 09:57:19PM +0100, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <m0yLW7r-0008r9C@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
> <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
> >
> >Neutral Zone
> >20th-22nd March 1998
> >
> >reported by Kathryn Andersen
> >
> >Friday 20th March
> >
> >I had breakfast with Annie and Linda, checked in to the convention -
> >they spelled my surname wrong of course, so after an attempt to change
> >the 'o' to an 'e' I gave up and blacked out my surname entirely,
>
> >Judith and Julie enter from opposite sides of the stage, both wearing
> ^
>
> For someone who has so much trouble with people misspelling her own
> name, you are remarkably careless with the names of others :^)
Ulp! Sorry! I think I must have mentally been switching between the
two, thinking you went by both.
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:00:55 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Kathryn's con reports
Message-ID: <19980404.195415.9663.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Thanks so much Kathryn! I put myself in your shoes and felt very good
about going (vicariously) to the cons.
I also went to your web pages and really enjoyed them. Is the counter
working? It said I was the first one to go there. Do I get a prize? <G>
Lots of nice pictures. Gareth is a big man. (I am married to a big man
and find them quite appealing.)
Peace,
Penny
PS...Anyone every venturing to a con in the Seattle region look me up.
<G>
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:17:36 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
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On Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 12:12:10AM +0100, Diva wrote:
>
> In her report
>
> >Deliverance 1998
> >27th-29th March 1998
>
> Kathryn Andersen writes:
>
> "It's fen that make fandom go around, never forget it".
>
> Well I'd never have guessed it from her mean-spirited review of the
> Deliverance convention. 11 pages of non-stop griping because - horror of
> horrors - she had to fill in TWO forms for the art show, and other such
> world-shaking stuff. There's so much I disagree with in her review that I'll
> have to summarize, but some things should be said:
"11 pages of non-stop griping" just because I was almost the only one who
dared say anything critical. Geeze.
> Kathryn complains that the con was run with "officious infefficiency" and
> yet her own review makes it clear that the con staff always took pains to
> get her information even if they didn't know all the answers straight away.
> Hardly very officious.
The contrast was with the attitudes which were conveyed before the
convention, with all the rules, regulations, and forms, which were
irritating, but completely understandable if such things had resulted
in a smoother-running convention, but they did not. It was many
little niggling things, which in themselves weren't much, but added up
to something more than little. The fact that, for example, it took a
couple of hours to track down the fancy-dress organizer is hardly an
example of efficiency, is it? Now, at some other con, this would have
been an example of a relaxed, laid-back atmosphere, but this con was
not relaxed. A very relaxed, laid-back con, for example, would have
had a fancy-dress organized along the lines of "hey you, you're in
costume, come up and be part of the fancy dress." (Yes, I've been to
cons where they did exactly that.) This con had the worst of both
worlds. And a number of the problems that they had were
*preventable*.
> She also neglects to point out that this was a
> charity event run by volunteers who gave up a lot of their time and missed a
> lot of the events themselves so that B7 fans could come together. If she had
> better ideas of how to run things, why didn't she offer to help before the
> con or help with the events she criticizes?
Of course I know that it was run by volunteers with a con-charity -
like *any other* fan-run con. And it was other fan-run cons I was
comparing it with. As for offering to help, like really I could do
anything all the way from Australia? Help with the events I
criticised? As if I could actually organise the Art Show or the Fancy
Dress having come in from overseas? Don't be ridiculous. I did more
than most people - I actually contributed to the entertainment.
> As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and
> I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the
> kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a
> smile or a picture. Yes, the autograph queues were long, but people who
> missed out one day were given priority the day after, and the REASON the
> queues were long was because, just like Kathryn, everyone wanted to talk to
> the cast that Diane Gies and the committee worked so hard to bring to the
> con. And by the way, if Diane referred to them as "my guests" I think she
> earned that right by her endless hard work for B7 fans.
Autograph queues - well I did point out, which you failed to notice,
that that may well have been an insoluble problem. Running on time?
Well, sometimes you have to be ruthless. Diane earned it? But didn't
Judith Rolls and Judith Smith earn it *just as much*?
> I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who
> "make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain.
> But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely
> that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no
> doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con
> is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the
> slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky
> of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism.
This is completely uncalled for. I spoke out of *more than ten years*
of going to conventions, all fan-run conventions for charity run by
volunteers. I spoke particularly with Neutral Zone in mind, which I
had just attended the week before, which is a con that looks better
and better in retrospect (though if you actually read my Neutral Zone
report you will notice that it got some criticism too). To declare
that I am a stooge for Judith is just... words fail me. Your vitriol
in this respect just makes you look spiteful. If there are lessons to
be learned from Deliverance's mistakes, Judith is quite capable of
learning them for herself, and doesn't need me kibbitzing to enable
her to try to run a good con.
"After Deliverance comes Redemption" - well, it does, doesn't it?
In more ways than one. It is, after all, the next Blake's 7 con after
Deliverance, and in the Blake's 7 episode order, Redemption comes
after Deliverance too. (Though for that logic, there should be a con
in between called "Orac"...)
> Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come
> together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look
> for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So:
> "I couldn't agree with you less".
For many people who had nothing to compare it with, Deliverance was
the best of all possible cons. For me, it wasn't - except for the
people that went there. As I said, it may simply have been that it
was too big. Yes, Worldcons are bigger, but they are a whole other
order of conventions.
Kathryn Andersen
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-- Kerr Avon to Roj Blake (Blake's 7: Horizon [B4])
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:26:47 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gareth Thomas
Message-ID: <19980405142647.14999@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 02:43:49PM -0500, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
> Is Gareth married? Does he have children?
>
Yes.
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:26:11 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (1/2)
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On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 07:49:46PM -0500, Claudia Marie wrote:
>
> > "More truth than real" was someone in the audience's suggestion when
> > Gareth asked if we could describe acting in four words. He was
> > impressed with that, but launched into his "real for now" anecdote to
> > further illuminate the point.
>
> Details? If you don't mind. :)
Ah. This is a favourite anecdote of Gareth's - he told it at Event
Horizon also. Others will probably remember it better than I, but
here goes:
A friend of Gareth's had a small daughter, and they were attending a
pantomime. Said daughter got upset and frightened by what was going
on, and her father was desperately trying to calm her down, saying "It
isn't real, it isn't real, this is just pretend." Eventually the
little girl calms down, and then remarks, "But it's real for now."
Acting is "real for now."
Kathryn Andersen
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"History happens. Even when I'm not around."
"Only by accident."
-- The Doctor and Kadiatu
(Doctor Who - the New Adventures: "Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch)
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 04:41:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance
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Julia quoted me and said:
>> and I know just what expression Julia has when she's
>>drooling over Avon.
>>
>And if you need to be reminded, you can always look at the inside cover
>of _The Logic of Empire_.
>
>Odd thing, that. Several people at the con thought that picture looked
>like me, in at least one case to the extent of assuming I was the model.
>Yet I showed it to a couple of people at work earlier this week, and
>they couldn't see it at all.
Good heavens. I immediately ran and looked, and sure enough, that =does=
look rather like you in your sultry mode.
If the people at work don't see the resemblance, perhaps that's because you
have kept your mind on the job and have virtuously refrained from thinking
about the red leather trousers while there. :)
Kathryn, I enjoyed your comprehensive con reports. I blush to admit that I
had to look twice before I recognized you and Judith, since you both have had
new and different haircuts since last I saw you. FWIW, I like the new
styles in both cases.
Sarah Thompson
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:14:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption t-shirts
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Having had even more requests for Redemption t-shirts (is this design popular or
what?) I'm going to be printing another batch shortly.
Prices are 8.50 pounds UK, 9 pounds Europe, 10.20 pounds or $17 cash USA or
10.60 pounds Aus/NZ. XL costs 50p extra.
All prices include postage.
I'll wait a week or two to see what orders come in, and then I'll print. If you
e-mail me your t-shirt size in advance, then I can print while waiting for the
money to arrive.
The design is of Liberator fighting a shadow from Babylon 5 - those who were at
Deliverance probably saw several people wearing them, including two of the
guests. The design, drawn by Kathryn Andersen, can also be seen on the
convention web page - address below.
Judith
PS. Cheques chould be payable to Redemption. My address is 28 Diprose Rd,
Corfe Mullen, Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY, England
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:58:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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On Sat 04 Apr, penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
> Seems to me they could take suggestions from the fan fic and go from
> there. Is that BENEATH them as professionals? From what I gather there
> may be some better fan fic than some of the episodes in the series
> itself.
It's not as simple as that. There are potential copyright problems involved
and thus TV companies tend to be very reluctant to look at unsolicited
ideas/scripts for fear of being hit with nuisance lawsuits if they happen to use
anything similar to a proposed idea.
Judith
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:05:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good news and bad news
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On Sat 04 Apr, Dangermouse wrote:
> > What a terrible prospect, what they really should do is round up the
> bloke
> > that wrote the recent Doctorless Doctor Who novel, Face of the Enemy.
> Seems
> > to me he could probably do a pretty good PGP story ;-)
>
> Especially considering that the villain is blatantly Jackie Pearce?
>
> I'm flattered but...
>
> A) I'm already doing one for Judith Proctor, which may even be finished
> sometime before that asteroid hits the Earth, and
Do I get to see 'The First Casualty' before Redemption? <grin> Be nice to be
able to sell it at the con <hint hint>.
>
> B) I reckon they should get Chris Boucher to do it - he is *the* Blake's 7
> writer, after all.
Too true. He did nearly all my favourite scripts.
>
> (But if they asked, I'd do it like a shot)
Who wouldn't! (All I need to do is to convince Brian Lighthill that an ability
to write fanfic compensates for my total lack of radio experience.... Somehow,
though, I don't think he'll go for it)
Judith
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:05:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance report (2/2)
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On Sun 05 Apr, Diva wrote:
> As Kathryn managed to notice, the guests do indeed have their own minds and
> I happen to know that one reason some events ran late was because the
> kind-hearted guests were anxious to ensure that everyone got an autograph, a
> smile or a picture.
So run the fancy dress without celebrity judges. Judge it with a fan panel or
by audience applause.
> I think that it's people like Diane Gies, Judith Smith and Judith Rolls who
> "make fandom go around"; let the whingers do better before they complain.
> But then Kathryn neglected to mention her own interest in all this, namely
> that her friend Ms Proctor is organizing the Redemption con which will no
> doubt be perfect in all respects thanks to Kathryn's omniscience. This con
> is being run by a different committee although they are currently using the
> slogan "After Deliverance comes Redemption" which I think is pretty cheeky
> of them, particularly in the light of Kathryn's (endless) criticism.
That is totally uncalled for. For one thing, Kathryn is one of the most moral
people I know (she's a pracricing Christian and lives by her beliefs). She
would not alter her opinion of something one iota to suit any interest of mine.
Two, I've already stated publically on this list that I don't expect Redemption
to be perfect. It is inevitable that we will make mistakes. We'll avoid some
of the mistakes that Deliverance made, but being a smaller convention we won't
have similar magnitude problems with autograph lines etc and thus our task is
easier in some areas. Doubtless we will make some mistakes that they didn't.
Thirdly, if Kathryn had been trying to persuade people to come to Redemption,
she would have praised Deliverance to the heavens, not criticised it. Think
about it. What makes people want to go to a convention? A glowing con report
makes people want to go to another one. A critical report - of any convention -
will make someone who has never been to a convention think twice.
Fourthly, Kathryn has no connection with Redemption, apart from having kindly
designed the t-shirts for us. She lives, as she pointed out, in Australia.
It's highly unlikely that she will even come to Redemption, let alone be able to
help with it.
>
> Kathryn, what really matters is that the con gave people a chance to come
> together, have fun, and help a good cause. What a shame you chose to look
> for the bad in everything; personally I enjoyed Deliverance very much. So:
> "I couldn't agree with you less".
>
> Diva@tn.prestel.co.uk
Kathryn was willing to sign her name to what she said. Are you going to do so
or do you prefer to criticise her anonymously?
Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:27:53 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Back from Deliverance
Message-ID: <19980405212753.07290@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Sun, Apr 05, 1998 at 04:41:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote:
> Julia quoted me and said:
>
> >And if you need to be reminded, you can always look at the inside cover
> >of _The Logic of Empire_.
> >
> >Odd thing, that. Several people at the con thought that picture looked
> >like me, in at least one case to the extent of assuming I was the model.
> >Yet I showed it to a couple of people at work earlier this week, and
> >they couldn't see it at all.
>
> Good heavens. I immediately ran and looked, and sure enough, that =does=
> look rather like you in your sultry mode.
I was one of the people who thought it looked like Julia, I admit!
> Kathryn, I enjoyed your comprehensive con reports. I blush to admit that I
> had to look twice before I recognized you and Judith, since you both have had
> new and different haircuts since last I saw you. FWIW, I like the new
> styles in both cases.
Don't feel too bad Sarah! I didn't recognise Judith at first myself,
and I think *my* new hairstyle completely baffled all the people I'd
met at MediaWest last year. Barbara T. couldn't place me at all, and
only realized it was me by a process of elimination. Didn't stop us
having a great natter in the train, though... (-8
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jarriere: [Points gun at Travis] Just stay where you are.
Travis: That your new muscle, Servalan? Looks like a powder puff.
(Blake's 7: Gambit [B11])
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:41:15 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:17:41PM +0100, Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> 3) I got to act with Gareth Thomas! Hah! (OK, it was only for a few
> seconds, but I don't care.)
Oh, was it *you* who did the "demonstration of anger"? Or should that
be, the "interaction of anger"? Congrats - I would have crumpled up
into a ball, I think!
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:02:27 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 07:37:24PM +0200, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>
> And I got to hear Orac complain about food! I bet none of you out
> there have ever done that!
Now *what* was it that was said at the closing ceremony?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was:
ORAC: Despite everything, I had a good time.
SLAVE: I'm sorry, Master, but I had such a good time
that there's nothing I can say sorry about.
ZEN: Confirmed.
I wonder when the video will be out?
Despite the impression that some people may have gotten that I did
nothing but complain, I *did* have a good time. Not enough time in
the day, really.
Oh, and if you want to know, the pronunciation is "Ca-leh" - more or
less. Probably less than more! No, I made *no* attempt at "Dybedahl"!
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Sharaz Jek: Where are you from - Earth?
Peri: Yes.
Doctor: No.
Peri: Not exactly.
Doctor: We travel a lot.
(Doctor Who: The Caves of Androzani)
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:24:28 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance - ConCom View
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Some Words On Deliverance (in a personal capacity):
I would just like to say, publically, that the ConCom of "Deliverance" were
well aware of all the problems that arose over the weekend. However, having
been on the ConCom of three other B7 cons, and closely involved with a
number of others, I can categorically state that none of these problems
were unique to "Deliverance".
Problems will always arise at any large event. To expect no problems is an
exercise in self-delusionment. It's how you deal with those problems that
matters. Though I accept that some of the problems did pass the "First Line
Of Defence", there were a vast number of others that were so promptly
nipped in the bud that they never became an issue.
Those attending the con. will have noticed that we had 12 hand-held radios
and a base-station to facilitate the passage of information, and those who
were either passing through Ops, or who were near those radios without
headsets would have been aware of the continual traffic of information
going between ConCom and staff.
Yes, there were areas where we got things wrong, which, again, is not
something unique to "Deliverance", but I hope that the enjoyment of our
attendees and guests was always our priority. When we became aware of
problems, we did what we could to resolve them, or to come up with a viable
compromise as a solution (for instance, the Sunday night autograph session
in the Main Hall, which was arranged "on the spot" to make sure EVERYONE
got a chance to get all the signatures they wanted).
I understand that rooms being locked caused several problems. Rooms were
locked when not in use as a security measure. Even so, we had a studio
quality VCR stolen on Saturday night. The problems arose when, for whatever
reason, they were not unlocked at the correct times. The most glaring
example of this, of course, has to be Sheelagh Wells' workshop. Sheelagh,
from what I can gather, began her workshop outside the room rather than
wait to start once the door was unlocked. We were aware of this, and were
desperately trying to resolve it. Those attendees who had problems with
their room cards refusing to "swipe" will know that the hotel's computer
had a habit of cancelling access cards at unexpected moments, meaning that
a new card had to be obtained and encoded from Reception. I believe that
this was the case with Sheelagh's workshop.
The staff of "Deliverance", Ops Managers, Events Managers, Stewards etc.,
all worked like SLAVES over the weekend, and so, thanks given to them at
the closing ceremony was well-deserved. I know for a fact that the Stewards
WERE thanked, because I, myself, thanked them in the list of staff that I
had drawn up to read.
Confusion over the Fancy Dress and Artshow does surprise me a little. I
can't speak for the Artshow, as this wasn't in my jurisdiction, but I
understood that the Fancy Dress Rehearsal on Saturday afternoon was to be
an open forum for all those with or without forms who wished to
participate, and that timing, running order etc. was to be worked out by
the contestants themselves, under the (very experienced) direction of the
two people who had volunteered to organise it.
There were problems and mistakes at "Deliverance", but I honestly believe
that ninety-nine percent of attendees had a great weekend that was unmarred
by the over-running of items, length of queues etc. Certainly, the amount
of people coming to Ops on Sunday night to tell us what a terrific weekend
they had had would indicate that this is true. Not to mention the bottle of
champagne delivered by an attendee as thanks!
I have pointed out to people in the past that in the aftermath (no pun
intended), the voices that ConComs hear the loudest are the critical ones.
Therefore, every person who says "I had a wonderful weekend, thank you" is
a blessing.
I'm quite sure that Judith P. will discover at "Redemption" that those who
stick their heads over the parapet to organise events become very easy
targets. Myself, having been involved from both sides, I have nothing but
praise and admiration for those who get on and organise things. Con runners
need, and eventually develop, very thick skins. When you've tried your best
to give so many people a good weekend, you take the brick-bats, even if
they are deserved, very personally indeed.
If anyone wants to discuss particular problems, air their grievances, or
simply ask questions about why things were done the way they were, I would
be more than happy to do my best to explain things.
I hope, and sincerely believe, that most of the 750+ attendees had a great
weekend. This does, judging from the bulk of the communication thus far
received, seem to have been the case.
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:20:08 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Deliverance" Convention
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Re: autograph queue :
> The only thing I would suggest there is that someone go down the line at
> intervals (which is what I tried to do when I was on duty) to let those
waiting
> know who was actually in the room. Being more ruthless about chopping
the queue
> at a certain length would have helped on occasions when a signing was of
finite
> length (such as when the room was needed for another item) as many people
queued
> who had no chance of getting an autograph in a particular session.
Both excellent ideas. In particular I think the chopping of the queue
should have been done much earlier. I was one of the last few to get
signings when I queued, but there were many, many people behind me who
missed out. It would be disappointing to be told "Not a chance this time
around" but, given the other excellent idea of dishing out raffle tickets
to those who missed out to give them priority next time, this would surely
be preferable to standing there for two hours to get nothing.
>
> The only delayed event that really annoyed me was the fancy dress
competition.
> I left a workshop that I was really enjoying to get there at the
specified time,
> only to stand around for about an hour and a half.
I can see that this would be really frustrating to those taking part,
though on a personal basis I found the delay a bit of a bonus. As we don't
get Rachel in bed until gone 7pm I had written off the fancy dress and was
just looking forward to the cabaret. We were delighted when we found we
were in time for both.
>I don't know whether the
> cause of the delay was waiting for judges or waiting for the hall seating
to be
> rearranged or something else.
I am not sure the tables helped, what do other people think? Much of the
seating space appeared to be wasted because nobody wanted to have their
backs to the stage. But overall there was less space and those in late
struggled to get somewhere to sit.
>
> I'll finish by saying thank you for all the hard work that the organisers
put
> into Deliverance. Being at a con is a bit like watching a swan swimming.
You
> can see the bird sailing on the water, but don't notice all the frantic
paddling
> underneath that is keeping everything afloat.
>
Absolutely! Having never been to any other cons I didn't know what to
expect but I am open-mouthed with admiration at the people who give up so
much of their own time to organize such a huge event. We definitely enjoyed
ourselves and appreciate all the work which must have gone into this.
Julie Horner
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