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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 124
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Fabulous Films
[B7L] Blake's Legend
[B7L] re got me angry - the end hopefully?
Re: [B7L] Rendezvous
Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
Re: [B7L] Re: Got me angry
[B7L] Whose ship? (was Re: The good ones in season 4)
[B7L] Fandom...my own take
Re: [B7L] Fandom...my own take
[B7L] Fans and attitudes
Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
Re: [B7L] Rendezvous
[B7L] Re: Got me angry
Re: [B7L] b7 vids
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:46:03 +1000
From: "G.Peck" <alpak@ozemail.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fabulous Films
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Does anyone know the address of the video company Fabulous Films?
Also are they the same company that are re-releasing Terry Nation's The
Survivors on home video?
Any help appreciated.
thanks
Gerard
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:56:02 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Blake's Legend
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Darren asked: "did anything ever become of the Blake's Legend
project?"
The people who did it were at a London Horizon meeting in
October, or around then. They said all the filming had been
done and it just needed the final editing. They were hoping to
have it out by Deliverance, but obviously they didn't meet that
deadline. I'll ask again at the next Horizon meeting and let you
know.
BTW Darren, why do you have all that space before your sig
file?
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:40:37 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re got me angry - the end hopefully?
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s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote:
>
> At first I thought maybe Jackie had overreacted to Christopher W.'s
> comments, but now I wonder. Given that my personal definition of a fan is
> someone who participates, however slightly, in organized fandom-- or even
> just someone who'd like to if they knew it was out there, 'cause they've got
> the fannish Right Stuff-- I'm not all that sure that Christopher =is= a
> fan. Not even interested enough to stay on the mailing list?
>
> And fans in general-- not just Jackie-- do have a history of being burned in
> varying degrees by people who are not themselves fans but just want to study
> fandom for the sake of an academic ulterior motive, or in order to write a
> "Look at the freaks!" type piece of journalism, or some such thing. This is
> quite different from what happens when fans themselves study fandom, as Una
> is doing. It's a matter of the attitude of the person doing the study, and
> there are indeed people out there who have betrayed the trust of the fans
> they dealt with in one way or another. Under the circumstances it's not
> unreasonable for fans to be a bit wary.
>
> I don't think there's any question of somehow rating fans by their knowledge
> or the size of their fannish collections. Some of the most devoted B7 fans
> around have got big gaps in their knowledge of the show-- such as, for
> instance, episodes that the favorite character, whoever that may be, wasn't
> in! And some very avid readers of fan fiction either borrow zines from
> friends, or else buy them and then resell them after reading rather than
> accumulate a collection. DCsquared, IMO your website and published stories
> certainly put you well into the ranks of active fans, and I never had any
> impression that Jackie was suggesting otherwise.
>
> Sarah T.
My ETRNALLY grateful thanks. For putting it over SO much better than I
ever could.
Jackie
Please can we all be friends again?
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:29:25 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Tramila & pussnboots <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
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Tramila & pussnboots wrote:
>
> >> Avona wrote:
> >> >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
> >> >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you
> >> >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". <eg>
>
> Tramila wrote:
> >> I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with
> >> the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. <g> Where do you
> >> want to rendezvous?
>
> Avona wrote:
> >If I say "Guada Prime", I don't think you'll come...
>
> Vila and Tramila shake in their boots....uh..uh...
> (Hey! Them's *my* boots, sez Puss 'n B... it's gettin' really crowded in
> here.)
> Vila hurls pesky cat out of airlock.
Vila is starting to sound more like Avon. :^/
> How about we rendezvous at Freedom City? It's been my all time dream to
> visit Freedom City!
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose-- I'll meet you
there, but mind you don't get roped into a game of Speed Chess.
Avona
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:50:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
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Jackie seems rather sceptical about anyone writing a PhD thesis based
around Blake's 7 when they don't seem hugely into fandom. It is by no
means essential to know all about a subject before starting a PhD project
on it - which is just as well, really, otherwise I'd have been in real
trouble.
Iain
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:01:56 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Got me angry
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In message <199804260541.FAA02253@rock103.genie.net>,
s.thompson8@genie.geis.com writes
>At first I thought maybe Jackie had overreacted to Christopher W.'s
>comments, but now I wonder. Given that my personal definition of a fan is
>someone who participates, however slightly, in organized fandom-- or even
>just someone who'd like to if they knew it was out there, 'cause they've got
>the fannish Right Stuff--
<snip>
Sarah's qualifier is important - there are people who would be part of
organised fandom if they could connect with it, but haven't because they
a) don't know it's there
b) haven't managed to find it
c) don't have the time/money to be able to do so
all of which can also apply to collecting things connected with the
fandom. All of which have applied to me at one time or another. I've
still been a fan of B7 since the first time I saw an episode around
twenty years ago. Anyone listening to me talk to fellow fans at school
at the time would have had no doubt about that.
Somebody who subscribes just long enough to put out a request for info
*may* fall into category c, or *may* simply not be attracted to this
aspect of fandom (some aren't), but Chris' general attitude, sudden
departure, and from his reasons for such, presumably sudden arrival,
suggest to me that his attitude to B7 is like mine to Star Trek - it's
nice to have it around, but it would not hugely distress me if I were to
never see it again or talk to other people who liked it. I'm not a
Trekker.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:28:05 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Whose ship? (was Re: The good ones in season 4)
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Jacqueline said:
>Wouldn't that make it ZEN's ship?
Zen WAS the ship, really. The hexagonal thing was just the visual
reference point. Zen was everywhere.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:06:48 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fandom...my own take
Message-ID: <19980426.085834.9263.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
I've been reading a bit of what you all have written about fandom. I
have been in and out of a few fandoms in my life. I find the best way to
deal with them is in and out. I find that is the best way I deal with
life...in and out. I am a "project" oriented idealist (Myers-Briggs,
here we come.) I do things til I get bored, burned out, or feel the
creative urge in me has been appeased. Not to say that I forget about my
loves and fandoms, I just retain them with a great fondness.
I discovered B7 one year ago, at the ripe age of 35. I instantly
devoured it. Why? Its a great escape. I love the characters. I hate
the theme. I laugh at the special effects. I enjoy the banter. I like
the angst. I see myself in the characters. Best of all I like the over
all feeling of losing myself in someone else''s creation for a while and
seeing the universe through different eyes.
I have purchased one zine, read very little fan fic, and wrote one fan
story as a result of the Egrorian Press' proposition. (I like a
challange) I got Paul Darrow's book through a kind list member who
didn't think she would want to read it again <grin>. I have passed both
the zine and book on. I have helped organized the Pacific Northwest
Rabble, our B7 lysator/space city group, which has met three times and
had absolutely WONDERFUL meetings. I have occasional interest in the
actors/actresses themselves, find that a few facts about their lives are
interesting but sufficient for my curiosity.. (Thank GOD for Judith
Proctor....I love to look at pictures of Gareth Thomas occasionally).
Would I attend a con? Perhaps. Would I travel to England to do it?
NOPE. Would I travel to Chicago to do it? NOPE. Am I a fan? I think
so.
I felt this way about many things, not just television shows. I find it
easy to be excited and enthusiastic about good things in life. Blake's 7
is just one of those good things I've managed to run across.
Peace,
Penny
PS...The Pooh/B7 crossover on the Aquitar files is one of the first fan
fic stories I have ever read and I just adored it!
*****
One must have chaos in ones self
in order to give birth to a dancing
star - Fredrick Nietzsche
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:47:21 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Penny wrote:
> PS...The Pooh/B7 crossover on the Aquitar files is one of the first fan
> fic stories I have ever read and I just adored it!
Agreed. If anyone hasn't checked it out yet, it is hysterical!
> *****
> One must have chaos in ones self
> in order to give birth to a dancing
> star - Fredrick Nietzsche
> *****
>
Oh, quoting Nietzche? Okay, your opinion... how close is Avon to being a
Zarathustra? I was studying philosophy about the same time I discovered
B7, and I certainly saw a similiarity between Avon and the Nietzchean
concept of a new, personal morality.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:40:39 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Fans and attitudes
Message-ID: <01BD715C.1DB3E260@host5-99-60-246.btinternet.com>
Jackie asked Ian about watching B7 as a child and then again as an adult,
and how differently he viewed it. I'm not Ian, but I watched the original
run starting when I was not quite 7 and ending when I was 11, then didn't
see the series again until I was 21 and the videos were released. I figure
I mayaswell answer Jackie's question too and see if Ian comes up with a
different answer.
As a child I liked B7 in much the same way I liked Star Trek - it was a
good action show and I liked the stories. I also thought Avon was really
cool cos he was so quick and sarcastic. When I saw "Blake" I was really
upset, and so were all my schoolfriends. It really came as one hell of a
shock to a kid who was used to the heroes winning.
Over the years I remembered B7 as one my favourite shows from my childhood,
but I had no idea such a thing as fandom existed, so I forgot most of the
details. I didn't remember any of the storylines before Gan's death, so
when I saw the series again all those years later it was like watching it
for the first time. I was totally surprised - I'd seen B7 the first time as
black and white, with Blake and co as the good guys,real heroes, and all
those shades of grey that had eluded me as a child hit home. It was
fascinating - I still loved the show better than any other but for totally
different reasons - this time around I saw all the plot holes and cliches,
but the characters were engrossing with their flaws and subleties, and the
political machinations within the Federation, and I was just instantly
rehooked. So I joined Horizon and 5 years later here I am.
I still consider B7 to be my only fandom. I have been to a B5 convention
and bought various books (fact and fiction) about various SF series, but B7
is the only series that drives me to spend hours contemplating on the
characters' motivations, personalities and actions. And that is what makes
it a true fandom to me rather than just a programme I like a lot.
The other series I really like include:
Sapphire and Steel
The Prisoner
B5
DS9
American Gothic
Due South
VR5
Dark Skies
The Avengers (the New Avengers particularly, as I saw them first as a
child)
But I wouldn't spend time every day reading large numbers of e-mails about
those series.
Louise
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:09:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: moconnor@escape.ca (Mary O'Connor)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
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Jackie wrote:
>
>Perhaps I made the mistake of assuming that someone who said he was a
>fan of Blakes 7 since the beginning would have a collection of
>memorabilia. Although I have yet to meet a *fan* who does not collect
>memorabilia. Perhaps Chris (and yourself) are the first. Is there anyone
>esle on the list who is a fan of Blakes 7 and does not collect
>memorabilia?
>
Collect memorabilia? I had to make my own. Before I found conventions,
fanzines and the Horizon Club I hunted through the library and all I
found was a sentence about Blakes 7 in a Who's Who of Science Fiction
under Terry Nation. It said Blakes 7 was a show for teenagers.
I used my camera to take pictures with the VCR on freeze-frame.
Then I visited the local shop that could put a photo on a T-shirt,
a sweatshirt and I had 2 photos put on a coffee mug. The shop also
had a color copier to enlarge my photos into poster size. I used
fabric paints to add the Blakes 7 logo to the back of a t-shirt and
I painted the Liberator on the back of the sweatshirt. I have made
a Liberator gun and a Federation blaster and a handfull of costumes.
My boyfriend calls me a fan(atic) :)
I call it fun.
Mary O'Connor
moconnor@escape.ca
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:54:26 -0700
From: Tramila & pussnboots <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rendezvous
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Tramila & pussnboots wrote:
>> How about we rendezvous at Freedom City? It's been my all time dream to
>> visit Freedom City!
Avona wrote:
>Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose-- I'll meet you
>there, but mind you don't get roped into a game of Speed Chess.
Speed Chess? Ekkkk. I've had enough of that one. At least Blake didn't
catch us the last the time and I don't plan for him to find us this time
either. I think we should stick with the Big Wheel for fun and games and
don't forget profit. That is, if you can trick Orac into making himself
small again. You can, can't you? After all, you are Avona. <g>
Tramila
---------
Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:05:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Got me angry
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Sarah T. said:
>And fans in general-- not just Jackie-- do have a history of being burned
>in varying degrees by people who are not themselves fans but just want to
>study fandom for the sake of an academic ulterior motive, or in order to
>write a "Look at the freaks!" type piece of journalism, or some such
>thing. This is quite different from what happens when fans themselves
>study fandom, as Una is doing.
Incidentally, it is considered highly appropriate in the sort of study
I'm doing for the researcher to carry out the ranking and the sort: it's
all part of the methodology (and it's a *very* good way of doing the pilot
very quickly and easily and spotting typos/cock-ups!)
Una
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:06:02 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>,
"B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] b7 vids
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From: Roger The Shrubber <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: B7 Main List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 10:40 AM
Subject: [B7L] b7 vids
>I would be interested if anyone has info on any sales figures from the
>videos - for example did "Blake" really manage to outsell "Animals" ? Did
>"Star Drive" somehow beat "Star One" ?
>
>
>I guess I'm asking - did the eps that the folks on this list think are the
>best actually outsell the ones we all think are crap, out there in the
>world of the general public ?
Well according to a few vendors I talked to trying to complete my video
collection Tapes 1-15 were released (here in the US) in greater quantities
than tapes 16-26. In fact, Suncoast only carries the first 15 tapes, the
rest need to be special ordered at $24.95/ea.. (although the odds of finding
more than one or two episodes on the shelf there at one time are very slim).
Reuben
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