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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 132
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
[B7L]
[B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
[B7L] Re:The vacationer
Re: [B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
Re: [B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
[B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
[B7L]: Liberator design fault
Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:27:45 EDT
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
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In a message dated 98-05-05 08:13:31 EDT, you write:
<< It just occurred to me that in 'Star One' the crew of the Liberator
save the entire human race from the Andromedans and nobody so much
as says thank you. One would have thought that their actions deserved
at least a mention in dispatches - possibly even a free pardon.
Don't you think that is a bit mean?
Julie Horner
>>
A bit mean, yes, but then again, who knew what role they played? Most of
the ships that came to fight the ANdromedans were probably destroyed. ( Most
of the surviving fleet I expect were those ships who battled the invasion
further in the Federation's territory).Servalan of course knew, but after the
kissing scene in "Aftermath", any miniscule mercy she had was used up. A
similar situation exists with the events of "Deathwatch", where the crew
averts a major war, but only a handful of people know the true story.
Deborah Rose
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:25:18 +0100
From: "fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
To: "lyst" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]
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HTML format posting ? Oh I see - there is an option to change it to plain
text!
sorry!!!!!!! I had no idea!!! - I've changed it now - hope this is ok!!
fifitrix
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:28:08 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
Message-ID: <19980505.121944.14191.3.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
For a while I've been wondering what you folks think are the best and
worst lines in B7.
Here are mine:
Episode Line
Best Seek, Locate, Destroy Vila: I should hate to
be eaten by
something stupid.
Worst Stardrive Tarrant: Talk
amongst yourselves. This could
take some time
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:28:08 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:The vacationer
Message-ID: <19980505.121944.14191.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Ok, Ross, admit that the real fun happened when you got to Seattle. Come
on...say it. <G>!!!
By the way, Katherine Woods was the one who has your picture up on the
web.
Glad you got home all right. (And I hope you didn't bounce too many
checks)
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:04:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
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penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
>
> For a while I've been wondering what you folks think are the best and
> worst lines in B7.
>
> Here are mine:
>
> Episode Line
> Best Seek, Locate, Destroy Vila: I should hate to
> be eaten by
> something stupid.
>
> Worst Stardrive Tarrant: Talk
> amongst yourselves. This could
> take some time
>
> Peace,
> Penny
>
I can think of a lot of candidates for best. The worst ones, I haven't
tried to memorize. But I do know there have been a few of those...
Here are some of my candidates for best:
A: Have you considered amputation?
A: I'm not stupid, I'm not expedible, and I'm not going.
V: I can pick any lock, if I'm scared enough.
V: I'm in Hell, and it's full of Avons. (paraphrased that in a B7 fanfic
I wrote)
A: It looks like a door, and it's closed.
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:45:28 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Best and Worst Lines.
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Helen wrote (re best lines):
>A: Have you considered amputation?
>A: I'm not stupid, I'm not expedible, and I'm not going.
>V: I can pick any lock, if I'm scared enough.
>V: I'm in Hell, and it's full of Avons. (paraphrased that in a B7 fanfic
>I wrote)
>A: It looks like a door, and it's closed.
>
Of the top of my head, here's a few more candidates:
--
J: So what do we do now?
A: I rather liked the idea of being wealthy
--
V: I'm going to live forever -- or die trying
--
A: One more death will do it [cause the crew to desert]
B: Then you'd better be very careful. It would be ironic if it were yours.
--
V: I think I've just made the biggest mistake of my life.
O: That is very unlikely. Judging by your past performance you will
probably make many worse mistakes than this.
--
: My problem was always women
V: You like them then?
: No.
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The Loch Mess Monster
(occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:16:57 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
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Brent wrote:
>when the Rangers try to collect/preserve all the knowledge
> that's left after a cataclysm while living in monasteries
>seems more like recycling "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
Oh good, I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that was in there... though
I suppose monks get to do the preservation job quite often, even in real
life.
But I thought picking up what JMS has taken from where was half the fun in
B5. Gandalf's death and rebirth after falling into the abyss at Khazad-dum
is a favourite. And all that stuff about Caligula.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:29:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
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On Tue 05 May, Julie Horner wrote:
> It just occurred to me that in 'Star One' the crew of the Liberator
> save the entire human race from the Andromedans and nobody so much
> as says thank you. One would have thought that their actions deserved
> at least a mention in dispatches - possibly even a free pardon.
>
> Don't you think that is a bit mean?
Well, it's in keeping with the bleak tone of the series.
I wonder how often people percieved as dangerous criminals are ever given
pardons in real life. Robin Hood and the Saint manage it in myth and fiction,
but I don't know a single real life example. Normally they seem to be handed
out to people who were later proven innocent.
I worked the idea into a story once - that the military knew and remembered
Liberator's help at Star One, even if civilians didn't. I think it was in
'Nova' though I wouldn't swear to it. It's a while since I wrote that. (Long
enough ago that I occasionally cringe at paragraphs that I wish I could rewrite
with the benefit of the writing experience since then)
Judith
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:59:31 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
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At 19:29 5/05/98 +0100, Judith Proctor wrote:
>On Tue 05 May, Julie Horner wrote:
>> It just occurred to me that in 'Star One' the crew of the Liberator
>> save the entire human race from the Andromedans and nobody so much
>> as says thank you. One would have thought that their actions deserved
>> at least a mention in dispatches - possibly even a free pardon.
>>
>> Don't you think that is a bit mean?
>
>Well, it's in keeping with the bleak tone of the series.
>
>I wonder how often people percieved as dangerous criminals are ever given
>pardons in real life. Robin Hood and the Saint manage it in myth and
fiction,
>but I don't know a single real life example. Normally they seem to be handed
>out to people who were later proven innocent.
>
IIRC, Sir Francis Drake was a known pirate before he was later welcomed by
the establishment in Britain (and knighted!).
Again IIRC, Sir Anthony Blunt was also pardoned.
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The Loch Mess Monster
(occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:11:24 +0100
From: julie@ipsys.co.uk (Julie Horner)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
Message-Id: <199805061011.LAA09780@sun500.Fishnet>
With a technology advanced enough to design the Liberator,
don't you think it strange that its creators never thought
to fit seatbelts?
Even if they were not worn all of the time, it would have
been a good idea to strap up just before a space battle.
All that falling about the cabin when they got hit by a
plasma bolt could have been really dangerous - someone
might have banged their head.
Julie Horner
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:03:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
>
> Brent wrote:
> >when the Rangers try to collect/preserve all the knowledge
> > that's left after a cataclysm while living in monasteries
> >seems more like recycling "A Canticle for Leibowitz"
>
> Oh good, I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that was in there...
I definitely saw that.
though
> I suppose monks get to do the preservation job quite often, even in real
> life.
And it fit with the rest of the series... there are the monks on B5
right now, learning from other cultures.
>
> But I thought picking up what JMS has taken from where was half the fun in
> B5. Gandalf's death and rebirth after falling into the abyss at Khazad-dum
> is a favourite. And all that stuff about Caligula.
Agreed. Sometimes I accidently refer to Za ha dum as Kahza-dum (Moria's
proper name, and the place of Gandalf's fall & rebirth). I think the
_obvious_ borrowing; such as the Tollkien references, "Be Seein' You",
Bester, the emperor's widow/Majel Barrett, are all INSIDE JOKES. Put
there for the benefit of fans, a sort of Where's Waldo of fandom. Yet
the elements are so smoothly blended in, a SF outsider won't be
wondering anything about it. I've always seen Strazinsky as the fan-boy
made good, the one who acheived the big dream, but he remembers the
rest of us dreamers and gives us these little treats.
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