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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 193
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Jean Kluge
[B7L] Re: Lost in Space
[B7L] Still more zines!
[B7L] Make $1000's Weekly ! --- First Check Next Week !
[B7L] Make $1000's Weekly ! --- First Check Next Week !
Re: [B7L] Re: Lost in Space
[B7L] Lost in Space
[B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent
Re: [B7L] Lost in space
Re: [B7L] Re Shopping for vids
[B7L] canon firing.
RE: [B7L] canon firing.
[B7L] The Big Question
Re: [B7L] Flag waving at half-mast
Re: [B7L] b7- what a difference from Trek...
Re: [B7L] Happy endings
Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
RE: [B7L] Lost in space
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:00:06 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Subject: [B7L] Jean Kluge
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Is anyone in contact with Jean Kluge? I'm writing a magazine article and would
like to include a zine cover by her as an illustration. I don't think she'd
object, but I'd prefer to be certain and I need to know by Friday.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:04:52 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Lost in Space
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Steve T said: "I particularly like the comments at the end (can't
remember who) -
'Blake's 7 has given me lots of conversationns with really intelligent
people' - 'oh I wish I had thought of that - I was going to say Avon is
really cute':-))"
That was Una, followed by Pita. My boss at Motor Trader, one of the
places I work, picked up on that saying he thought it was a really good
way of ending the programme. He was more amused though by the Redemption
poster behind Judith's head cos he knew I'd printed that out on the
Motor Trader printer. I think I even got him to proof read it.
As to the program as a whole, I thought it came across really well. But
Judith! Is it really only five years since you first watched B7. I'm
stunned. When you get into something you really go for it and quickly.
Judith said: "I got recognised by the postman this morning."
Does that mean he's a Blakes 7 fan?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
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I've been going over the finding list for the Susan Smith-Clarke
fanzine collection recently donated to the National Library of
Australia, that Lisa D. so kindly informed us about.
( http://www.nla.gov.au/collect/s-clarke.html )
Lo and behold, they list some zines that I hadn't heard of, as
follows:
A. All-B7 fiction and poetry zines
BLAKE'S SEVEN CHRISTMAS FILKSONGBOOK (filks; AU, 198?)
BLAKE'S SEVEN CHRISTMAS FILKSONGS (filks; AU, 198?)
CHRISTMAS WISHES (filks; AU, 198?)
DSV-2 (fiction zine of The System club; AU, 1987?)
PURSUIT #1 (zine of T.N.T., Travis club; AU, 1983.3) [it's not
clear whether this is a fiction zine or a newsletter]
C. All-B7 nonfiction zines
THE LIBERATOR JOURNAL (technical manual by Mark Lang et al; AU,
1984)
PHASE (newsletter of Aftermath club; AU)
THE SYSTEM (newsletter of The System club; AU)
And here are some other things I have come across recently, that
aren't on older verisons of the zine lists:
A. All-B7 gen fiction and poetry zines
AVON'S CHRISTMAS BUMPER BOOK OF FUN (fiction and puzzles; Avon club
zine; UK, 1995.12)
BLAKE'S SEVEN: THE MOVIE (stories from an Avon Club competition;
UK, 1995) [not certain of the title]
Dark Tower novelettes (stories based on episodes)
TERMINAL (Brian Devlin; UK, 1986)
STAR ONE (Robert Carter; UK, 1986)
RE-TAKE 1 & 2 (stories from Avon Club competitions; UK, 1997) [not
certain of the title]
WHAT IF (stories from an Avon Club competition; UK, 1993) [not
certain of the title]
B. Multimedia gen fiction and poetry zines with B7 content
BEYOND IMAGINATION #1 (mm poetry, incl. B7; UK, 1987?)
BEYOND IMAGINATION #2 (mm poetry, incl. B7; UK, 1988?)
CAMHANACH (UK, 1978?)
RAT'S TALES #2 (UK)
C. All-B7 nonfiction zines
THE CAST INDEX (actor list, compiled by Barbara Hamilton Fletcher
and Carole K. Bede; Avon club; UK, 1991?)
SCORPIO CLIP GUN INSTRUCTION (Denise Baker; Avon club; UK, 1991?)
Multimedia nonfiction with B7 content
OUTER ZONE (mm newsletter; UK)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:24:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Lost in Space
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On Tue 14 Jul, Steve Rogerson wrote:
> As to the program as a whole, I thought it came across really well. But
> Judith! Is it really only five years since you first watched B7. I'm
> stunned. When you get into something you really go for it and quickly.
True <grin>. I used to run a postal gaming business from home and I had to give
it up for health reasons about the time I got into Blake's 7. Fanzines
satisfied my workaholic instincts and didn't need a regular seven-day turnaround
period. If I was unwell for a week, it didn't matter.
It's the flip of choosing to stay at home to bring up the children. I have to
do something creative or go nuts. Fandom fills that niche very nicely. I'm
doing something that hopefully brings pleasure to other people and keeps me sane
and mentally challenged. It's also brought me some of the best friends I've
ever had. When I had all the really bad voice trouble, this list and Space City
probably prevented me from going nuts.
>
> Judith said: "I got recognised by the postman this morning."
>
> Does that mean he's a Blakes 7 fan?
Actually, she was watching Star Trek and just carried on. She knows me quite
well really - I seem to get a lot of mail <grin>. (I say postman because PC
speech irritates me after a while)
The most serendipitous feedback I've had to date from Lost in Space is finding
another Blake's 7 filk fan who lives quite close to me. She actually wrote one
of my favourite filks (Star of the Delta Grade). We're arranging to get
together and have a filk session one evening. Anyone else live near Poole and
want to come along?
Judith
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:25:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Lost in Space
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Richard tells me that the frame grabs and transcript from Lost in Space are now
up on the web.
So, if you missed it and want to see what the BBC made of it, follow the link
from the top page of http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Judith
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Date: 15 Jul 1998 08:33:27 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent
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The list is now closed. In theory, everyone who has posted in the past
should still be allowed to do so.
--
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:00:50 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in space
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Jacqueline said:
>It was fun to see some faces to go with the names at last. Especially
>Una looked very different from what I had imagined.
You know, and awful lot of my e-mail friends say that to me when they meet
me. It must be the second head and the third arm.
Una ;)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:41:37 GMT
From: kminne@camtech.net.au (Ken Minne)
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Good day all,
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:55:35 +0100 GMT, Steve wrote:
>Walter asked: "Could some of our English list members suggest
>the most likely stores or retail outlets for obtaining the Fabulous
>Films Blakes Seven videos?"
>
>On New Oxford Street, London (near Tottenham Court Road
>underground station) is a sci fi shop called Forbidden Planet.
>The video department downstairs has the full set on sale at the
>moment. Also near TCR station on Oxford Street is Virgin
>Megastore. Their video department, also downstairs, has some
>of the tapes. If both these fail, stroll down Oxford Street until
>you reach HMV (on the right) and try their video department
>upstairs.
>
Thanks, Steve.
Could you clarify/confirm two things for me -
Firstly, how many of the episodes/tapes been released so far ( ie what
episode are they up to? )
Secondly, can you confirm that there is extra material besides the two
eps on each tape, as was rumoured here a few months ago?
>cheers
>Steve Rogerson
>
Catch you later,
Walter Minne
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:49:52 GMT
From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] canon firing.
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dangermouse wrote
****
Roger the Shrubber wrote:
> The debate about who died on GP only continues because many fans do not
> accept Afterlife as canon. Perahps someone can explain why this is so.
Because it's amazingly badly-written crap that is a travesty of the series'
ethos?
****
Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me.
There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore
logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the
official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the
book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend
got the logo, then that would be canon too.
We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:53:36 +0100
From: "Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] canon firing.
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Roger said:
> We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
>
That's debateable... imho....
Peter.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:35:29 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Helen Krummenacker" <avona@jps.net>
Subject: [B7L] The Big Question
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Helen K wrote:
>Maybe after I'm back and resubbed, I can ask everyone if _Soolin_ is
>capable of love?
Hmm... For all my delight in investigating the
all-too enigmatic gunslinger, I'd have to answer
that I don't know. Certainly she didn't love Dorian!
Soolin, I believe, could be very passionate,
but even more than Avon she'd be sabotaged
by her own cynicism and self-interest. I also
think there's be a gulf between who she would
find interesting and attractive and who she would
be capable of feeling tenderness for. Avon, for
example, might attract her, with his brains and
his power, but the more emotional/less lusty
side of things would escape them - she'd be too
wary, and too disgusted by some of the things
he's capable of doing. I honestly think she'd have
more chance of feeling true love for someone like
Vila, someone non-threatening, fun and kind,
who wouldn't have any bad associations for her
or require her to be defensive. Alternatively,
Soolin might manage a torturing passion for
someone *completely* inappropriate, like
Servalan <g>, and suffer terribly because she
couldn't like or trust her beloved...
But, in any case, I doubt Soolin loves easily
or often - romantically *or* platonically. Even
as part of the group, she's a born loner.
Every time I try to imagine a scenario for her,
it ends in tragedy.
XXX Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"That is how Ophelia should be played -
like a young goddess straying from another world,
happy because she has escaped out of the bondage
of human joys and griefs."
-- Agatha Christie, "Appointment With Death."
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:24:21 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flag waving at half-mast
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
. As
>for South Australia, well Sarah, if you are refering to Lindley, say so.
I didn't read Sarah's posts, as they have been
deleted straight off my server for months now.
This is precisely the reason - Sarah has an
unhealthy and, frankly, extraordinarily tedious
habit of raking up old flame wars, usually without
the courage to use names. Since I came back,
I've been idly wondering how long it would take
her to start spitting bile again - I knew her
hang-ups wouldn't allow her to stay silent long.
She's the first and only person I've ever needed
to *plonk*, and I don't regret my decision.
However, as old Adelaide Uni was seemingly
impinged:
>But I'm sure the University of Adelaide is not truly responsible for her
>any more than the University of Newcastle is entirely responsible for
>me. <grins at the idea - unis are supposed to have some influence on
>you, but I doubt the teaching staff of anywhere are publicly into half
>the opinions broadcast on this list> The University of Adelaide, I
>suspect, is like the University of Sydney - the oldest and most
>prestigious of the universities in the relevant state.
Exactly. And, unlike you, I've had extraordinary
support, both intellectual and personal, from the
staff of the underfunded and debt-ridden Arts
Department. The purpose of a liberal arts
education is, after all, not to teach you opinions
but social responsibility and research and writing
skills, while bringing you into contact with the
major theories of your chosen areas. Despite
some people who still want it to teach you what
to think rather than how, this is why I believe
liberal arts fits the true spirit of education better
than any other area.
Due to the
>difference in years between white settlement in the United States and
>white settlement in Australia, we cannot claim to have our own versions
>of Harvard and Yale (let alone Oxford and Cambridge). Give us a few
>decades, Sarah! <smiles - I have no intention of insulting anyone today,
>and I hope what I've said and what follows is not taken as such> Kathryn
>is being parochial, in my view, but so is Sarah. Heavens, I'm guilty of
>it, and I suspect that a lot of others are too.
Sure. And, perhaps I'm being parochial, but while
young, many Australian universities are known for
being among the most modern and forward
thinking in the world (Flinders Uni, also in South
Australia, springs to mind.) Howver, many of us
choose to go to older, more traditional unis
becuase we know a degree from them is
more saleable in the job market.
<sigh> I *plonked* Sarah in the hope of avoiding
just this kind of wasting time facing idiotic,
ignorant, badly thought out accusations. Back
to our regularly scheduled Soolin worship, kittens...
- XXX Lindley
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:41:31 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] b7- what a difference from Trek...
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Reuben:
>
>DS9 wasn't the only Trek show to criticize it's own government. This
>happened quite a bit in the original Star Trek.
>
>And not to spoil anything for any TNG fans, but there is some pretty harsh
>anti-Federation policy stuff going on in the upcoming Star Trek film....
Unfortunately, even in DS9, any criticisms
were unsupported by the rest of the canon.
You get a few isolated incidents that show
all isn't quite hunky dory, but the overall thrust
is Father Sam (or his representative in the
current captain) Knows Best. For example,
we all "know" that the Bajorans opposing
joining the Federation are just misguided,
even though they talk a lot of sense. The
ambiguity and dystopia of B7 simply isn't
there.
XXX Lindley
ophelia@picknowl.com.au
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there never is a Keanu
but a dweeb lookin' at me...
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:59:30 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Happy endings
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Catherine Roussel wrote:
>In my case, I don't think that it matters so much if the ending is
>happy, sad or ambiguous. The important thing for me is that by the end
>of the story there has been a significant development in the characters
>from where the story started. This can be a development in how the
>characters perceive themselves, how they perceive the world, how they
>relate to each other, how they cope with stress or how they deal with
>their own limitations.
>
>The thing that I find objectionable about some happy endings is that in
>the end, everything is back the way things were before the story began.
>The characters have been put through the wringer physically and/or
>emothionally, and yet by the end of the ordeal, nothing has changed.
My favourite ending of this kind is in
Terry Pratchett's "kids" book "Only You Can
Save Mankind." At the end, the hero realises
that nothing *concrete* has changed, if you accept
that the business with saving the aliens in the
computer game was somehow not real. It's only
a matter of time before his parents split up,
people are still murdering each other in the Gulf
and calling it democracy in action, his friend's
stil a troubled skinhead. But he, Johnny, has
changed, and that's the important thing.
(The "Johnny" books are possibly the best
kids books ever written, much better than
Pterry's other efforts for young uns.)
>One of the things that I dearly love about the B7 characters, the thing
>that has held my attention so long, is that they are very human. They
>are not perfect people, and in each of them I can see various aspects of
>myself: the good, the bad and the ugly.
Agreed. I think that's why I can't sustain
a discussion on the humans and elves (except
Legolas and Aragorn) in Tolkien's books the way
I can with B7 characters. They are simply mythic
archetypes, with little to speculate about or identify
with.
Whether the ending is happy or
>not, the humanity of these characters must be preserved and growth and
>change are a necessary part of the process.
How would you say Soolin developed? To
me she dies where she started, alone, mysterious
and glorious.
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.html
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:02:46 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
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Gwynn wrote:
>Any Forever Knight fans out there........?
>
>What do you think about the ending to that series?
Having been prewarned... Well, I've had it on
tape, literally for months. I'll let you know what I
think when I finally gather up the courage to watch
it. <rueful grin>
XXX Lindley/Ophelia
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:42:29 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Lost in space
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Jacqueline said:
>It was fun to see some faces to go with the names at last. Especially
>Una looked very different from what I had imagined.
and Una replied:
You know, and awful lot of my e-mail friends say that to me when they meet
me. It must be the second head and the third arm.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] Actually, I had thought of you as being the academic type, who then occasionally cuts loose by skateboarding through the university hallways. Compared to that, you looked a bit quiet.
Jacqueline
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