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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 194
Today's Topics:
[B7L] The Big Question
Re: [B7L] Happy endings
Re: [B7L] canon firing.
Re: [B7L] canon firing.
[B7L] canon firing.
RE: [B7L] canon firing.
Re: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent
[B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!!
Re: [B7L] Ah, sweet love on Liberator
[B7L] Oh dear!
Re: [B7L] The Big Question
[B7L] B7 Games
[B7L] LIS B7 bits
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
[B7L] Re: spam ban
[B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
[B7L] Re: Canon fodder
Re: [B7L] The Big Question
RE: [B7L] Lost in space
Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
Re: [B7L] LIS B7 bits
Re: [B7L] The Big Question
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:47:38 -0400
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
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Subject: [B7L] The Big Question
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Lindley/Ophelia wrote of Soolin,
> I honestly think she'd have more chance of feeling
> true love for someone like Vila, someone non-
> threatening, fun and kind, who wouldn't have any
> bad associations for her or require her to be defensive.
I think Soolin and Vila could make a great couple! Her
looking after the physical-security side of the relationship,
him doing the emotional/care-taking side of it, and working
out their means of survival as a team---either in security
consulting, or professional B&E. The only thing that boggles
me, would be how to get them together, to start. What could
he *do*, that could make a good enough impression on her,
for her to seriously consider him worth her attention/affection?
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:02:02 -0700
From: Catharine Roussel <croussel@telusplanet.net>
To: Lysator B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Happy endings
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Ophelia wrote:
> How would you say Soolin developed? To
> me she dies where she started, alone, mysterious
> and glorious.
The way I see Soolin, she definitely did develop during the series.
The young woman that is presented initially is very detached. She is a
true cynic and a pessimist.
Where Avon plays at being a cynic, Soolin is the master. Avon has not
completely lost faith in human nature although admittedly, the incident
with Anna had pushed him farther in that direction than he had ever
been. I see that part of Avon's fascination with Blake is his hope that
Blake can prove his cynical nature wrong.
Soolin has already made up her mind about the nature of humanity
however, and nothing in her past life has given her grounds to revise
her opinion. She finds Vila amusing because, for all the terrible
things that have happened to him, he remains an optimist--expecting the
best out of life. (You mention in another post that you could see her
getting together with Vila and I definitely agree with you about that
for all the reasons that you gave.)
In 'Power' she is withdrawn and alone. When she joins them it is
strictly on a contractual basis.
In 'Traitor'she tries to understand some of the dynamics of the group
that she has thrown her lot in with while continuing to remain separate
from the group.
By 'Warlord', the detachment is truly fading. She involves herself in
Tarrant and Zeeona's love life. This is far above and beyond the call of
duty for a contract worker.
In 'Blake' we learn more about Soolin than in all the previous 12
episodes combined. Still, she didn't trust the others with information
about her past until the search for Blake forced her hand. When the
time came however, she gave much more information about her personal
history than was required. Had she wished to remain distant, she could
have simply explained the political situation on GP as she knew it,
leaving out her family history. After Dorian, it took her a long time
before she could trust the group with the knowledge of her background
and the emotional power over her that went along with it. I see in this
speech a real move towards trust and becoming part of the group. It's
too bad that it had to end so bleakly, but I suppose it was no more
tragic than Soolin herself would have expected.
Catharine
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:13:31 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] canon firing.
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On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:49:52PM +0000, Roger the Shrubber wrote:
> dangermouse wrote
> ****
> Roger the Shrubber wrote:
>
> > The debate about who died on GP only continues because many fans do not
> > accept Afterlife as canon. Perahps someone can explain why this is so.
>
> Because it's amazingly badly-written crap that is a travesty of the series'
> ethos?
> ****
> Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me.
> There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore
> logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the
> official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the
> book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend
> got the logo, then that would be canon too.
> We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
Afterlife is not canon because it was not filmed, not on television,
is a book. Same principle applies to all the Trek books, all the Star
Wars books, all the Highlander novels, and so on. That's how I cut
the demarkation between canon and not canon. The minimum set of "what
is canon" is "what we saw on the screen". Anything else official is
considered semi-canon, in my book. You can choose to refer to it or
not. With Doctor Who, for example, there's TV canon, and New
Adventures canon, and because the New Adventures are good, I'm more
likely to want to play in that universe, but the core of Doctor Who
canon is still the show. If they ever made any more Doctor Who on TV,
the producers would happily ignore anything that was established in
the NA's, unless they felt like including it. No matter how official
they are. You can't *argue* cannonicity with the books, but you
could choose to say "for the purposes of this story, I am treating the
books as canon". In that case, you have to take the whole set of
books, including the stinkers, when you choose to work by book
continuity. Because the demarcation is not "stinkerness", but type of
medium.
So most of the fans choose to toss out the Blake's 7 books from
consideration, because they stink. If they hadn't stunk, then more
people would refer to them like they can refer to any semi-canon. I
mean, like, for example, the fact that Blake is an engineer isn't
something that we actually saw on the screen, so even though it is
helpful to assume that, because there was a reference to it in the
first draft of the script, it isn't canon. We didn't *see* it. The
fact that Blake's trial took place in the year '52 has more support,
because that was actually seen on the screen (but it depends on
assuming that those figures that look like dates, actually are dates).
There were heated arguments in the Doctor Who newsgroup when the NAs
first came out, whether they were canon or not, and I don't think
anyone changed their opinions.
(I'd better stop. I'm starting to repeat myself.)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:13:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] canon firing.
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On Thu 16 Jul, Roger the Shrubber wrote:
> dangermouse wrote
> ****
> Roger the Shrubber wrote:
>
> > The debate about who died on GP only continues because many fans do not
> > accept Afterlife as canon. Perahps someone can explain why this is so.
>
> Because it's amazingly badly-written crap that is a travesty of the series'
> ethos?
> ****
> Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't really convince me.
> There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ? Therefore
> logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has the
> official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I liked the
> book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend
> got the logo, then that would be canon too.
> We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
Moot point. I take all 52 aired episodes as canon, because even where they are
poor quality, they don't contradict one another too badly. However, I do not
take The Sevenfold Crown as canon in spite of it being both BBC and having
mostly original cast. It is simply too contradictory to the rest of the series.
To take one random example, we know that only Scorpio's flight deck is
pressurised during flight and that there are bunks round the wall. So how come
Avon has suddenly acquired a personal cabin complete with air supply for the
radio play?
There are many more problems like that.
If I can reject the radio play as being non-canonical, then I have no qualms at
all about discarding Afterlife.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:08:29 -0400
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] canon firing.
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Roger the Shrubber wrote,
> There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ?
No question.
> Therefore logically, quality has nothing to do with canon.
This can be legitimately argued.
> IMHO, if something has the official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon.
> Crap canon possibly (I liked the book until the last 50 pages),
> but still the real thing. If Blake's Legend got the logo, then that
> would be canon too.
Here I disagree. For me, logo alone does not define canon. I see it
more as a matter of material being part of the 'original package' of (in
this
case) a television series, ie., the four years' worth of episodes
broadcast. That's as much as I'd be prepared to hold anyone to respecting
as canon, in any context where it might conceivably matter...erm, can
anyone suggest me a context in which it might conceivably matter?
> We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
Part of the 'original package'.
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:57:46 +0100
From: "Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] canon firing.
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Sorry I should clarify...
debatable that it's cannon, not that it's crap.
But then one man's meat is another man's gravy...
Peter.
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> From: Borg, Peter: IT (LDN)[SMTP:peter.borg@barclayscapital.com]
> Sent: 15 July 1998 14:53
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: RE: [B7L] canon firing.
>
> Roger said:
>
> > We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon.
> >
> That's debateable... imho....
>
> Peter.
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:50 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent
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-----Original Message-----
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:11 AM
Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: If I ever meet a spammer, I'll get violent
>The list is now closed. In theory, everyone who has posted in the past
>should still be allowed to do so.
>--
Just a quick test to see if I still can.
Reuben
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:13:37 +0000
From: "Loulou Harris" <loulou@okco.prestel.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!!
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What is the world coming to? You agree to be interviewed for a
little TV show, share your views with a million or so like-minded
people but NOOOO, then you have to be immortalised on the Web,
evetually indexed in the search engines, just waiting for future
clients/employers/employees to check you out and have a good old
snigger before they meet you!
Bah, it is my own fault I suppose...I should have foreseen it!
Btw, my own receptionist thinks I am a sad anorak, I was told
yesterday by someone else in the building. But she didn't dare to
tell me that to my face!
To whoever did the transcript, good job, btw. <sigh> But God help me
come Online Information 98....
Pita
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:15:24 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>, "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ah, sweet love on Liberator
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Edith wrote:
>Cally and Jenna- Would these two women put up with A, B or Vila? And why
>were they not close to each other- women bonding and all that?
I think Jenna initially perceived Cally as a threat,
in much more important ways than the obvious
one of being the second womyn on board.
Jenna is rather a prickly piece of work, although
she is delightfully so, not a bitch like too many
B/A writers write her.
Firstly, Cally is an alien. The first Cally episode
(was it Time Squad? I must go back to the 1st
series) hinted that Jenna feels a certain amount of
anti-alien xenophobia. Certainly, in the context of
that episode, she'd be justified in being suspicious
of aliens.
Additionally, they were all fitting into their respective
slots when Cally arrived. The others were fairly
established - Blake the leader, Avon the brains,
Vila the thief/comedian, Gan the muscle. Jenna of
course was the pilot, which Cally was not. However,
I think she was also, from the very beginning, finding
another slot for herself - that of Blake's tough, smart
right hand. Ironically, Cally provided a more obvious
rival for that position than Avon. It was not surprising
Jenna saw her as a threat, nor that they never
seemed to become close. There also was a faint
pairing of Blake with Jenna and Cally with Avon that
made closeness between the two wimmin less
likely.
Of course, that was before Avon became Mr Macho
and Cally came over all spiritual.
And, as Kathryn wrote:
<<I don't really think either of them were
the kind to get close anyway; Jenna because she had learned in her
tough life not to look "weak", and Cally because she was doubly
isolated because she was cut off from her people, and, depending on
what Auron culture was really like, could have found it difficult to
relate closely to non-Aurons anyway, them not being telepathic.>>
>Vila- more unloveable than Avon, really, because at least Avon had
>style, which counts for a lot?(paraphrase Pulp Fiction.)
Vila has style. Being witty and vulnerable
and decadent *is* style. Pity about the clothes,
I admit, although he looked very cute on
occaision (e.g. "Killer.") I, for one, find Vila
very loveable indeed... The obvious partners
for him seem to me to be Avon and Soolin -
cool, powerful, intelligent types.
Less clearly, I could see him with Tarrant
or even Cally.
Could someone
>so drug addled and drunk be able to love another person? Feel platonic
>love towards his fellow crew?
Watch "City" again. Vila in love is
adorable.
>Avon- Has Style(tm) which counts for a lot. Actually, I would like hear
>opinions on this- anyway you look at it, Avon loving/not loving someone
>is rather dangerous. Did Avon truly love Anna, or was she like a symbol
>or trophy to him, something he could not have easily, and in so his
>desire was made greater for her? (Like the fraud, iow)
Both, in my opinion. (Perceptive
question, btw.)
XXX Lindley.
Ophelia Frump - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
--www.geocities.com.au/TelevisionCity/2511/allo.html---
This angel's dirty face is sore,
holding on to what she had before.
Not sharing secrets with any old fool,
now she's gonna keep her cool.
-- "Naked" - the Spice Girls.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:35:43 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Oh dear!
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To the list in general: I apologise for giving Lindley the opportunity
to snipe at another list member, and I hope that Sarah will not take the
opportunity to retaliate.
To Lindley and Sarah: I apologise for, as it seems, reopening old
wounds. Obviously I wasn't quite thinking as clearly as I hoped when I
responded to Sarah's post, and I shall just have to watch how I word any
responses in future.
On a happier note: Pat Fenech has lent several stories/collections of
stories to this newcomer to fanfiction. I must say that I am pleased to
have the opportunity to read these stories, even if I cannot say that I
like each and every one of them. But the ones I do like...(you are to
imagine drooling noises at this point). As well, I've added a few more
stories from the internet to that folder of mine, and I'd like to thank
Pita and Reba for putting "Written in Stone" by Caroline York on their
site. I love this story. Another one I love is "You Look Marvellous" by
Annie and Leah, from the Ashton Press site. I can't help grinning
whenever I think of that one.
Regards
Joanne
(waiting for the weekend, so that I can have more time to read)
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:23:46 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question
Message-Id: <199807160325.WAA00440@pemberton.magnolia.net>
DJ said re the possibilities of Soolin/Vila:
<snip>
>What could
>he *do*, that could make a good enough impression on her,
>for her to seriously consider him worth her attention/affection?
Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations, leaving us with
no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill" Vila could use to impress Soolin.
:-9
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:35:00 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7 Games
Message-ID: <19980715.203004.2839.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing?
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:29 +1000 (EST)
From: David Henderson <David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] LIS B7 bits
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Judith wrote:
>Richard tells me that the frame grabs and transcript from Lost in Space
>are now up on the web.
>So, if you missed it and want to see what the BBC made of it, follow...
thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
And here I was fellin' all left out wonderin if oz tv would ever show it.
Obviously I cannot compare it to the televised episode, but the
transcript, with appropriate frame grabs, is very entertaining and
enlightening. It also aint bad to put faces to names (my wot a visual
world we (I?) live in).
(Although, does Judith really smile that much ALL the time...pls note all
frame grabs :)
DavidH
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:21:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games
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On Thu 16 Jul, Penny L Kjelgaard wrote:
> Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing?
Horizon produce a Blake's 7 role playing game.
Of course, <grin> there'll be lots of games at Redemption. I promise some of
them will be Blake's 7 related.
Reminds me. Anyone want to volunteer to help run the pictionary game?
I await with interest the efforts of fans to draw 'Rumours of Death' in less
than 60 seconds...
Mind you, I managed it in Charades once. Did 'Shrinker' by slowly curling up as
small as possible.
Judith
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:33:53 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: spam ban
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Calle said: "The list is now closed. In theory, everyone who has posted
in the past
should still be allowed to do so."
This so annoys me (not what Calle's done but the fact that it had to be
done). It's sad that these people are so intent on stuffing their
adverts down everybody elses' throats they have no idea (or worse
probably don't care) the hassle they cause other people.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:31 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
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Walter asked: "Could you clarify/confirm two things for me - Firstly,
how many of the episodes/tapes been released so far ( ie what episode
are they up to? ). Secondly, can you confirm that there is extra
material besides the two eps on each tape, as was rumoured here a few
months ago?
Tape 6 containing Bounty and Deliverance is out and, I think, tape 7
with Orac and Redemption is due next week. As to your second question, I
haven't a clue cos I'm keeping this set unwatched at the moment.
However, if there is extra stuff on them I will probably change this
policy very quickly. Antone else help?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:48 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
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Darren said: "Others have voiced similar opinions, but that doesn't
really convince me.
There WERE crap TV episodes, but they are canon, are they not ?
Therefore
logically, quality has nothing to do with canon. IMHO, if something has
the
official BBC B7 logo on it, then it's canon. Crap canon possibly (I
liked the
book until the last 50 pages), but still the real thing. If Blake's
Legend
got the logo, then that would be canon too.
We can all say that Animals & Harvest sucked, but they're still canon."
Dr Who Magazine has an article this month about what is canon in Dr Who
(our problems are trivial compared with theirs). They seem to side with
the TV programmes only, even though the programmes contradict
themselves. They have problems like novels of the programmes often
contain more information that was seen on screen, so is that extra info
canon? Do they include Dimensions in Time and Shada? It goes on.
As to B7, I've always regarded just the TV programmes as canon, but
until recently there were no radio programmes. I can see no
justification for not including The Sevenfold Crown in canon, despite
its problems. If that had been done as a TV programme, all the fan
fiction writers would be hastly scribbling away to write stories that
would explain how Vila got an eating disorder and who this strange
person was in Soolin's body.
As to the books. I don't regard them as canon, no more than I regard the
Dr Who or Star Trek books as canon. The Babylon 5 books are a bit harder
because the authors have a tight reign on them to stay within canon. On
the B7 books I can't remember if the three based on episodes have more
information in them than we see on screen. Also, if we put them into
canon we would also have to put the three annuals, the cartoon story in
the Marvel special, stuff in the Marvel monthly, the short stories in
the Marvel poster magazine and, god forbid, Avon: ATA.
Anyway, what's wrong with Animals?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:56:14 -0400
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question
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Lorna B. wrote:
> Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations,
> leaving us with no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill"
> Vila could use to impress Soolin. :-9
<G> If we're talking about the one he uses to impress Kerrill,
*offscreen*---I'd figure that as his best bet, too! My problem is
imagining circumstances under which she'd let him get close
enough to try. In Soolin's case, I'm not sure that even being
locked up in isolation aboard an alien spacecraft, on an apparent
one-way trip to suffocation inside of an hour, would be enough
to do it...
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:56:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Lost in space
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Jacqueline said:
>>>It was fun to see some faces to go with the names at last. Especially
>>>Una looked very different from what I had imagined.
>>>
>>>and Una replied:
>>
>>You know, and awful lot of my e-mail friends say that to me when they
>>meet me. It must be the second head and the third arm.
>>
>Jacqueline replied:
>
>Actually, I had thought of you as being the academic type, who then
>occasionally cuts loose by skateboarding through the university hallways.
>Compared to that, you looked a bit quiet.
Well, you know what they say about the quiet ones: they're, erm, a bit
dull really!
Una ;)
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:36:52 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
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Steve Rogerson wrote:
>I can see no justification for not including The Sevenfold Crown in canon,
>despite its problems. If that had been done as a TV programme, all the fan
>fiction writers would be hastly scribbling away
Not necessarily. Bad reunion productions done years later aren't generally
accepted as canon either, though they can fall into the kind of
"semi-canon" category Kathryn was describing, where some fans choose to
accept them and others don't.
I cite as examples the UNCLE reunion TV movie, which had a number of
serious problems and is by no means taken as incontrovertible canon in
UNCLE fandom, and the two Wild, Wild West reunion movies, which were so
awful that they're seldom *mentioned* in W^3 fandom except to sneer at
them, and I don't think much of anyone takes them as canon.
Generally, anything outside the original show is dicey. And occasionally
some of what's in it.
- Lisa
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Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:53:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] LIS B7 bits
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On Thu 16 Jul, David Henderson wrote:
> (Although, does Judith really smile that much ALL the time...pls note all
> frame grabs :)
Nope <grin>. I am a sad, sour, miserable bastard who never smiles, never
somersaults down hill in the company of fellow fans, never sings, hides away in
a quiet corner at conventions and always tells the truth.
Judith
PS. Actually, it made for more effecient storage to reuse a lot of the frame
grabs, but that's far too boring an explanation.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:12 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question
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> Lorna B. wrote:
>
> > Heh heh heh. We Vila Fanciers all have vivid imaginations,
> > leaving us with no doubts whatsoever as to what "skill"
> > Vila could use to impress Soolin. :-9
DJ wrote-
> <G> If we're talking about the one he uses to impress Kerrill,
> *offscreen*---I'd figure that as his best bet, too! My problem is
> imagining circumstances under which she'd let him get close
> enough to try.
Weeelllll.. this is just the kind of speculation I can indulge in for
hours.
I can imagine the scene on Xenon base. Tarrant and Avon have been indulging
in the same pissing contest (er, metaphorically speaking) for the whole
afternoon. Dayna has gone off to her own quarters to get away from it.
Soolin and Vila have been stuck with some work or other. As soon as they
sit down for a breather the other two start the row again, perhaps with
Orac sticking his oar in. Vila sighs and lifts the ubiquitous drink to his
lips, looking a bit fed up. As he starts to drink it he notices that Soolin
is looking over at him. Very importantly he doesn't smile at her or - god
forbid - wink or any of the stupid things he is inclined to do in the
presence of lovely women. he puts the drink down very gently and stands up.
they go out. avon and tarrant don't notice.
As they say on the wireless.. it could 'appen
Alison
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:30:30 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games
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On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 11:35:00PM -0400, Penny L Kjelgaard wrote:
> Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing?
Well, I don't know about Roll playing, but Horizon has put out a
Role-playing game, based on GURPs or something.
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Date: 16 Jul 1998 23:23:11 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games
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Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes:
> Well, I don't know about Roll playing, but Horizon has put out a
> Role-playing game, based on GURPs or something.
Unless there is more than one B7 RPG, it bears no resemblance
whatsoever to GURPS. It's more closely related to Runequest,
system-wise. IMHO, it would've been much better if they'd used GURPS
instead of inventing their own system.
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Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia! Where am I? Fnord? Oh, there.
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