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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 228
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting
[B7L] I'm back
Re: [B7L] Swearing by (or, rather, at) Avon's teeth (was Tarrant
Nostra baiting)
[B7L] Cuddly Vila (was Tarrant Nostra baiting)
[B7L] Way OT - Technical advice
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #227
[B7L] Watching B7
Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours.
[B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting
Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours.
Re: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting
Re: [B7L] Watching B7
[B7L] Chaos
[B7L] B5 The Crusade
Re: [B7L] Watching B7
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:36:09 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting
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On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:12:04PM +0100, Judith Proctor wrote:
> On Tue 01 Sep, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
[of Tarrant]
> > Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward and
> > least likely to stab someone in the back. His crewmates know where
> > they stand with him, something that is not true of Avon or even Blake.
>
> I believe it was Travis who commented that Blake had one reliable flaw. He
> would never abandon a friend.
"He has one reliable flaw: loyalty."
-- Space Commander Travis, on Roj Blake
(Blake's 7: Seek - Locate - Destroy [A6])
(Kathryn's quote collection strikes again).
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:35:21 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] I'm back
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What have I missed while I was off spending time with my girlfriend in LA?
(BTW, do you that Chris Boucher's Dr Who book Last Man Running has one of
his B7 characters in it? Hint- watching Weapon might be a good idea...)
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:19:25 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Swearing by (or, rather, at) Avon's teeth (was Tarrant
Nostra baiting)
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Carol Mc:
>(Teehee, strike another one up to TN ingenuity. We lure the
>bashers in with kindness, then we throw them to the sharks. ;-)
'ere, that seems hardly fair. To the sharks ;)
ttfn, Nicola
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:16:50 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Cuddly Vila (was Tarrant Nostra baiting)
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Greg:
>Does this mean you're considering a Vila soft toy/doll? Anyway, I agree
>with Tramila. How could you kick someone so harmless and friendly.
Hi Greg!
[12,000 mile wave]
ooo, a Vila soft toy, what a cool idea ;)
If I caught Avon kicking Vila, I'd spend some time comforting Vila. Then,
once Vila's cuddled up all happy with his A+S, I'd go and tell Avon off.
Could lead somewhere interesting. ;)
>Tramila, is V.I.C.E. still accepting members?
If they are, you'd be the perfect candidate <duck>
ttfn, Nicola
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Telepathy means never having to say " ".
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:39:23 -0700
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Way OT - Technical advice
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Sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but can anyone tell me how to
killfile someone. Not anyone on this list, but I need to killfile someone
on a different, non-B7, list I'm on. My email program is Eudora Light how
do I do it, or is it possible with this program.
Any info please email me privately.
TIA
Jay
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:09:43 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Watching B7
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Carol said:
But do keep an open mind about Tarrant while watching the
rest of the series (you do have access to the rest of
the series, I hope...). If you can forgive Avon all his
faults, Tarrant should be a piece of cake. ;-)
I say:
No, I don't have access to the rest of the series at the moment, unless
there's someone in Sydney willing to lend those episodes I haven't seen.
Especially as Carol's points rest, at least partly, on "Dawn" and
"City", neither of which I have seen. I haven't seen "Harvest of
Kairos", amongst a few others from series three, either. Not having
access to pay TV or to the Fabulous Films reissues of the videos (and
not being made of money either) doesn't help.
While my brain is able to contemplate matters other than indexing fair
trading legislation (thanks, Carol, I've been swimming with sharks today
- they're called editors! But only when deadlines are gaining on you, as
they were on me), it's series two and three where the greatest gaps
occur. With the first set of thirteen, the only one I've missed is
"Bounty". With the final set of thirteen, I've missed three - "Power",
"Stardrive" and "Animals".
As the first episode I saw was "Traitor" (that was in 83? 84? and I
haven't seen that episode again since), I'm at a loss to explain how I
missed the two following episodes but managed to see "Headhunter" (I
know I saw that one when the ABC last screened B7: when I bought the
video sometime ago, the section where Soolin is carrying Orac up the
stairs made me think "Oh, yes, I did see this!" Given what I thought of
"Sand" at the time, what twelve year olds remember can be interesting.
Especially as the twelve year old me didn't think Avon was as
interesting in the same way as the adult me does.).
Regards
Joanne
Caxtons are mechanical birds with many wings
and some are treasured for their markings
They cause the eyes to melt
or the body to shriek without pain
--Craig Raine
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:39:43 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours.
Message-ID: <199809031039.GAA13167@yfn.ysu.edu>
Katrina wrote:
>Who else knows that little scene in "Rumours of Death" where Tarrant is
>distracting three troopers so Cally&Dayna&Avon can sneak up and brain them?
You might say I'm a tad familiar with it. :)
>He looks absolutely wonderful, gives a absolutely *classic* Tarrant smile
>and does this lovely little old fashioned bow to the downed troopers. I
>swear, not a single other character could manage to carry it off with such
>delightful, memorable *and* downright sexy style.
What a brilliant observation. Now that I think about it, I'm quite
impressed that Steven could carry it off in a manner that made it
appear natural and effortless. It's the little roll of his hand
that makes it especially picturesque.
>Other notes from Rumours - the number of quotes here is lovely. And the
>crew interraction is too. Proof they all care for Avon. Esp. Tarrant. :)
Yes, Tarrant seems to be almost hovering over Avon in that episode.
At the same time he's trying to restrain and disguise his concern.
He's actually doing a pretty good Avon imitation at the one point,
explaining his concern in pragmatic terms: that he doesn't want
to be facing the wrong end of Avon's gun when he warns Avon to
be careful with Shrinker in the cave. It's adorable.
Carol Mc
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:50:49 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting
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Tiger M wrote
>Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward
>and least likely to stab someone in the back.
Stab someone in the back... oh, so Dayna was right about that chap who was
guarding her and Avon in Powerplay? The knife just went off when he was
cleaning it?
Oddly enough, this is the only episode in which I like Tarrant. There's a
pleasing moral ambiguity about him. (He even looks OK in Federation black,
rather than the coloured clothing he adopted afterwards.) I spent the next
two seasons waiting for the "straightforward honesty" to be exposed as a
cover for the intriguing person glimpsed in Powerplay. I was disappointed
(though my hopes revived in the last moments, when he was in such a hurry
to get to Avon before Blake did - he did have the same name as the chap who
originally set Blake up, after all).
Recent reading suggests that, before Pacey was cast, the character was
going to continue on Powerplay's lines and could have turned out to be a
baddie, but they abandoned the idea very quickly. Has anyone ever written
any fanfic about that earlier character? It's an AU I would probably
enjoy.
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:15:28 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant in Rumours.
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>
> >He looks absolutely wonderful, gives a absolutely *classic* Tarrant
smile
> >and does this lovely little old fashioned bow to the downed troopers. I
> >swear, not a single other character could manage to carry it off with
such
> >delightful, memorable *and* downright sexy style.
>
> What a brilliant observation. Now that I think about it, I'm quite
> impressed that Steven could carry it off in a manner that made it
> appear natural and effortless. It's the little roll of his hand
> that makes it especially picturesque.
I direct *anyone* who thinks Avon is a more wonderful character that
Tarrant to this episode and scene.
I admit - I started off likeing Avon a lot more than Tarrant. But the
latter grows on you. Doesn't he Carol? [I mean, what in the universe has
any other character got that Tarrant hasn't? (excluding anythign to do with
gender. :P)]
> Yes, Tarrant seems to be almost hovering over Avon in that episode.
> At the same time he's trying to restrain and disguise his concern.
> He's actually doing a pretty good Avon imitation at the one point,
> explaining his concern in pragmatic terms: that he doesn't want
> to be facing the wrong end of Avon's gun when he warns Avon to
> be careful with Shrinker in the cave. It's adorable.
And later when he adds the 'within reason' to Cally's line about careing
about Avon. Or later still when he's got the quick wits to stop Avon
killing Major Grenlee before they find Servalan. Or the way he says all
Servalan's titles and has caught on to the terribly indignity of what
happened to her; in her own presidencial residence too! And convinces
Servalan to tell them about Anna/Bartolomew but pointing out her guard
might just have raised the alarm.
Have a look at it all - it's obvious Avon can't do anything sensible
without Tarrant. :)
Katrina.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:29:40 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tarrant Nostra baiting
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> Tiger M wrote
> >Of all the characters, he strikes me as the most straightforward
> >and least likely to stab someone in the back.
>
> Stab someone in the back... oh, so Dayna was right about that chap who
was
> guarding her and Avon in Powerplay? The knife just went off when he was
> cleaning it?
He wouldn't stab his friends in the back - only people who were confirmed
enemies. Esp. as his own survival was at stake here.
>
> Oddly enough, this is the only episode in which I like Tarrant. There's
a
> pleasing moral ambiguity about him. (He even looks OK in Federation
black,
> rather than the coloured clothing he adopted afterwards.) I spent the
next
> two seasons waiting for the "straightforward honesty" to be exposed as a
> cover for the intriguing person glimpsed in Powerplay. I was
disappointed
> (though my hopes revived in the last moments, when he was in such a hurry
> to get to Avon before Blake did - he did have the same name as the chap
who
> originally set Blake up, after all).
Mmm. Actually, you can find hints of it here and there. Black made him look
a bit sinister to me: I always felt that wearing a uniform can affect how
you think and act. He was used to acting in a certain way in that uniform
and so it, unconsciously, came out.
I think that in Blake, he really did believe Blake had set them up - had
set Avon up - and he knew how important Blake was to Avon. I think he was
also desperate to get his info and support to Avon and the others. And I've
often wondered about that - Dev Tarrant and Del Tarrant. Who thinks there's
a connection?
> Recent reading suggests that, before Pacey was cast, the character was
> going to continue on Powerplay's lines and could have turned out to be a
> baddie, but they abandoned the idea very quickly. Has anyone ever
written
> any fanfic about that earlier character? It's an AU I would probably
> enjoy.
*puts it on the list of a possible storyline.* No - I haven't seen the
darker side of Tarrant explored much at all in fanfic. Not the way the
darker side of Blake and Avon is done almost exhastively. But it wouldn't
have to be an AU - there's enough tidbits on screen to latch onto for a
darker Tarrant.
Katrina.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:57:59 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Watching B7
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In message <19980903050944.19415.qmail@hotmail.com>, Joanne MacQueen
<j_macqueen@hotmail.com> writes
>As the first episode I saw was "Traitor" (that was in 83? 84? and I
>haven't seen that episode again since), I'm at a loss to explain how I
>missed the two following episodes but managed to see "Headhunter" (I
>know I saw that one when the ABC last screened B7
That was the repeat screening, and Auntie left out two (I think)
episodes for some mysterious reason. Can't remember which ones they
were, and my off-air tapes are up in the loft, so it would be difficult
to check.
It's worth getting an off-air copy of Rescue from someone who taped it,
since there are small but significant differences between the broadcast
version and the so-called "unedited" offical tape for purchase. They
must be significant, because I said something along the lines of "What
the hell?" when I first watched the official tape, even though I hadn't
seen the broadcast version for about ten years.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:49:53 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>, Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Chaos
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For those who want to invest in the Chaos film (in which Jan Chappell
and Michael Keating have parts) can phone for a prospectus on 01237
422877 (this is a UK number)
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:50:36 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] B5 The Crusade
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This month's Starburst contained the following information about the
upcoming Babylon 5 spinoff The Crusade:
"Max Ellerson, the IPX archaologist, is played by David Allen Brooks...
J Michael Straczynski has already made a passing comparison between
Ellerson and Avon from Blake's 7, which makes him a character to watch."
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:44:43 +0100
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Watching B7
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Julia Wrote:
>It's worth getting an off-air copy of Rescue from someone who taped it,
>since there are small but significant differences between the broadcast
>version and the so-called "unedited" offical tape for purchase. They
>must be significant, because I said something along the lines of "What
>the hell?" when I first watched the official tape, even though I hadn't
>seen the broadcast version for about ten years.
Umm, I seem to recall that in the scene where Vila goes to help the others
in the basement, his longing look at the bottle of wine was cut. Think
there's more, but I can't remember the rest (it's getting late, and in a
Vilaish line, wine is clouding my mind slightly).
Heather.
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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