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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 33
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail?
[B7L] re: B7 as the Norse gods
[B7L] The Federation's Constitution
[B7L] Videos
[B7L] game on ABC
Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
[B7L] more skyhooks
[B7L] Pages Bar final reminder
[B7L] Ian McDonald
[B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
[B7L] Re: Videos
Re: [B7L] The Federation's Constitution
[B7L] vilafication
[B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
[B7L] B7 fans and Myers-Briggs
[B7L] Blake's 7 FANS & Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Re: Thomas Covenant
Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Re: Cygnus Alpha Cult
Re: [B7L] more skyhooks
[B7L] Guards, Guards
Re: [B7L] Re: Thomas Covenant
Re: [B7L] Time Squad 2/2
[B7L] Re: Time Squad
Re: [B7L] Videos
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 23:50:36 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
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DJ Wight wrote:
>I'm not familiar with the Idealist/Rational/Artisan/Guardian
>classifications, possibly due to my experience being more with Jungian
>typology than MBTI as such,
I hadn't run into that naming convention before, myself, but from the rest
of Adam's post I figured it was just a reference to the four temperaments
-- NF/NT/SP/SJ, respectively.
>Blake: ENTJ. ENFJ isn't impossible, I'd put him close to the line
>between thinking and feeling types
I agree with that last. I've never been completely settled on one type for
Blake, because I see him as close to borderline on both the T/F and the J/P
scales. I do tend to put him a little on the F side rather than the T,
based on his idealism, charisma, and emotional reactions, but agree that
he's a bit ambiguous there and certainly not a strong F.
>Vila: ESFP, maxed out on all dimensions!
Yeah, not much to argue on this one.
>Jenna: tentatively ESFP. Could say ISTP, because she's able to step
>back and play the detached observer, and that's an ISTP quality, but
>for me, it tends to look learned.
Hmmm. I see her as more of a T; not strongly polarized, but solidly on the
T side of the line. That cool objectivity she displays struck me as quite
natural, though it might well be a learned survival trait that has become
second nature. I have a hard time placing her on the E/I scale; maybe a
little to the I side, but not much, and I wouldn't swear to it. Certainly
an SP, though.
>Cally: tentatively INFP. Condensing fast again: "Quiet observers,
>idealistic, loyal.
My first guess was INFJ, but thinking about it, I agree that INFP comes
closer to the way she was throughout most of the series. I think she was
originally portrayed as more of a J; the INFJs are more goal-oriented, more
likely to be activists, as Cally in her guerrilla revolutionary persona.
Otherwise, the two types are quite similar, and she seems to have drifted
into the INFP camp pretty quickly.
>Gan: ESFJ.
Yes, that fits.
>Dayna: ENFP or ESFP. Close to the line on S/N, but I'd
>say a weak intuitive
Agree she's close to the line; she shows both NF and SP traits. I see her
more on the SP side, but might change my mind depending on which episode
I've watched recently.
>Soolin: ISF/TP.
I have a hard time seeing Soolin as an F at all, though she may well have
had much stronger F tendencies when she was younger.
>INTP = 1-3% of the population, for which the remainder may be
>thankful!
Aw, I *like* INTPs. Of course, I'm an INTJ, which isn't too terribly
different, and I'm strongly P-ish in certain circumstances. I can often
sympathize with INTPs. (I also have a definite fondness for a couple of
characters in other fandoms who are strong ISTJs. I run about 65%-75% N,
but have enough lurking SJ tendencies to feel an affinity for those
characters.)
--
- Lisa
<lcw@dallas.net>
<lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
Lisa's Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: 02 Feb 1998 09:30:15 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] OK to send e-mail?
Message-ID: <is90ru1ka0.fsf@godzilla.kiere.ericsson.se>
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Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Which reminds me - we might be in for another round of the "Good Times"
> hoax. Someone in British Steel fell for the "Join the Crew" variant
> about 9:30 this morning
I got it from my boss recently... *sigh*
/Calle (86 mails read, 2008 to go...)
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:21:35 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: B7 as the Norse gods
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>Narrelle said:
>>and Dayna could well be Diana.
and Louise replied:
>I don't think the name similarity is much of a coincidence - virgin
huntress and all that.
Ah, well I didn't think it was a coincidence either. I wrote a song about
*that* link too, and in my intro commented that Diana was also meant to be
a protector of animals. Which might explain a perfectly dreadful 4th
season episode... :-)
Have you ever read the story by Yvonne Hintz where the Greek gods land on
Sarran and Zeus has the devil's own time trying to seduce Dayna by doing
his usual trick and posing as different animals. She keeps shooting arrows
into him by mistake...
Relle
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:37:13 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] The Federation's Constitution
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980202223713.007af890@wire.net.au>
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Because Australia is currently having a constitutional convention to
determine whether or not we become a republic and, if so, under what model,
the ABC (Aussie version of the BBC) has developed a great little site with
some games etc for use in schools.
One game, Simcon, enables the player to create a constitution which is then
rated on a scale as regards to wealth, stability, trade, freedom and
militarism.
I decided to create a constitution as close as possible to the way I think
Servalan would have wanted it :-) and I came up with a pretty fair rating
for what the Federation was like (high on militarism, low on freedom, about
middling in trade, wealth and stability).
If you'd like to have a whirl, the URL is:
http://www.abc.net.au/concon/games/simcon.htm
You'll need the latest Shockwave plug in to play it.
Relle
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:16:26 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <H_F_Monkhouse@compuserve.com>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Cc: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Videos
Message-ID: <199802020717_MC2-3190-994A@compuserve.com>
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A friend has just forwarded this to me:
<<We are stocking the new B7 Seven Fold Crown audio cassette and the
releases of the B7 videos
John Fitton (International Mail Order) 1, Orchard Way, Hensall. Nr Goole. E
Yorkshire DN14 0RT England
Fax Orders + 44 (0)1977662501 (add international code)
Phone orders + 44 (0)1977661048 (add International Code)
E Mail john@jfitt.demon.co.uk
www.netlink.co.uk/users/jfitton/johns.html (full catalogue)
One of the best selections of Dr Who, Star Trek. Star Wars. X Files Babylon
5 etc. merchandise anywhere Visa/Mastercard accepted>>
Is this the official new outlet for the videos? Or are they dealing in the
old ones?
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:31:54 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: [B7L] game on ABC
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I played it to and got to:
Totallitarian Dictatorship (ignore spelling errors if present)
So that works out ok!
Jeroen
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:42:25 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
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DJ, that was GREAT!
What's an INTJ, the one Avon probably isn't?
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
"And so you see, Simon and Simon were not brothers in real life, only on
television."
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:39:24 +1100
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] more skyhooks
Message-Id: <199802021349.AAA03278@budapest.ozonline.com.au>
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AVON (IS JUST A DIRTY NERD)
If I did not have an ego,
I would not be here in flight,
If I did not have an ego,
I might not know that I was right
If you did not have an ego
You might not care that I'm the best
If I did not have an ego
I'd just be like the rest
<chorus>
Avon is just a dirty nerd
Avon is just a dirty nerd
You can believe what you've seen and you've heard
Well if Cally had an ego
She'd still be alive today
And if Cancer had no ego,
She might not be in decay
And if Travis had no ego
He might not care too much who won
And if Vila had an ego,
He might just use a gun
<chorus>
Some people keep their ego in a bottom drawer
A limiter to keep you stable
Have to step back
And do what you're told
You should be home watching cable
So if you got an ego
You better keep it in good check
Suppress it almost daily
Or you'll end up on deck
Cos Avon, is just a dirty nerd
You can believe what you've seen & you've heard.
*******
PARTY TO END ALL PARTIES (ON GAUDA PRIME)
There was a rumour on the FedNet
The word had got around
A revolution goin' on
On the Blake side of town
I said to Tarrant
Do you wanna go
Now Tarrant likes to party
And I knew he wouldn't say no
Well we got the right rebels
But we got the wrong hunter
Then like a shot in the dark
We heard that thunder
<chorus>
At the shootout to end all shootouts
Wildest one in the book
Shootout to end all shootouts
Step in side & take a look
Now angry Avon said to edgy Soo,
I know exactly what we're gonna do
We're gonna get Blake
Gonna make him the man
Revolutions stalling,
We just have to make a stand
<chorus>
At the shootout to end all shootouts
The fight of the century
Shootout to end all shootouts
A riot in the first degree
Shootout to end all shootouts
Party on the wild side of Prime
Shootout to end all shootouts
We ain't ever gonna live this down
A pile of corpses,
They've been there for an hour
The Feds had won, but their victory was sour,
But Avon wasn't dead
And he shot them all down
Found his locksmith & a ship
And then quickly left town
<chorus>
************
WOMEN ON SCORPIO
*** yes i know these fems weren't all on Scorpio !
Hello there Cally
Hi there lovely Soolin
Good morning Dayna
Welcome to the team
Practical hairdo, clip-gun on the hip
Sharp shooter Dayna ,
Don't you give her no lip,
Took me to the range room for a target test
And then back to her cabin for a weapons check
<chorus>
Women on Scorpio
Sometimes they look so cold
Women on Scorpio
But oooh, they feel so warm
One more crazy mission
We were flying back to Xenon
Soolin she just made me feel
Like I'm in heaven
Checking out her console just to see what I could see,
She leaned over,
Whispered "Soma , tea or me"
White apron & brown leather shoes
The nurses on Chenga left my heart all bruised
Tried to take my organs and then my life,
Now they take my temperature
Every night !
<chorus>
Commando raid on the Federation border
Sergeant Kasabi, she gives the order,
Khaki jacket and a big gun
"Servie I surrender, let's have some fun"
<chorus>
Daggy dull velour & mind reading,
Bring me to my knees,
A clip gun & a frizzy perm,
Oooh she's such a tease,
So grrrls, the geek you need,
Just won't come across,
Switch off his Orac and
Show him who's the boss
<chorus>
Women on Scorpio,
Daggy dull velour
Women on Scorpio
Coming after you.
******
After the Women In Uniform triumph, this one doesn't really work, but
here goes anyway
Jenna Calling (from the London)
You met her in a prison on a Saturday night
She was drinking drugged water,
Her skin was smooth but her face was tight
You didn't think she'd get very far
Though she mighta looked like a scared cat
You wouldn't mind giving her rug-rats
And you can't do it all on your own
She wants to join your little revolution
She wants to join your little revolution
<chorus>
Hey Blake that's Jenna calling,
Hey Blake that's Jenna calling,
Get on her side & do a bit of talkin,
Get on her side & do a bit of talkin,
It was just too easy when you got to her cell
And she kicked off her combat boots
And you talked your plans about what you'll do,
And now you got her on your crew
Well you though that she'd be a one nighter,
Now you know that she's a fighter,
But you ain't safe till you break this cell
Let her loose & she will give them hell
Let her loose & she will give them all hell
<chorus>
She sure knows when she's got a good cargo
And she just won't let go
She's been searchin' for the perfect payload
Her ambition- gettin dough
A Federation prison is a-waitin' for her
But self-destruct is what she prefers,
But you ain't safe till you break this cell
Let Jenna loose & she will give them hell
Let Jenna loose & she will give them hell
<chorus>
************
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Blake's 7 FAQ & other free stuff
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:37:34 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: space-city@world.std.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Pages Bar final reminder
Message-Id: <29817054MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Final reminder for drink up at Pages Bar, Page St, London on
Saturday 7 Feb. I'll be getting there about 5.30pm probably and
will wear a B7 T shirt. What time are others planning on
arriving cos I don't want to be there miles before everyone else
trying to keep a table on my own? Some earlyish arrivals would
be appreciated.
For those who haven't been before, the nearest tubes are
Pimlico, Westminster and Victoria and the 88 bus goes past the
door.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:38:42 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Ian McDonald
Message-Id: <29817075MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Alex said: "Can anyone recommend any good science fiction
novels?"
Calle replied: "Anything at all by Ian McDonald (well, maybe
not "Out On Blue Six"). In particular "Desolation Road" and
"Necroville"."
Oh I agree. Up till a year ago I hadn't read anything by him,
but because he's a guest at Eastercon in Manchester this year, I
decided to give him a try. So I read Hearts, Hands & Voices'
and Sacrifice of Fools', both were excellent, especially
Sacrifice. I must try Desolation Road'.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 07:28:35 -0800
From: "Adam L. Fuller" <adfuller@ix.netcom.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
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Hello,
This is Adam, again. I have given these characters A LOT of thought for
several years. The problem that I have discovered with Myers-Briggs is that
most people just don't understand the distinction of types very well.
Especially people who are SP themselves, often believe that they are N
because they think it's some added special ability and so they want to
believe that they are N for status and ego reasons. The N function is
actually an extremely rare function and people who are N are quite lacking
in the sensory function. (This leaves Dayna out of it) Most of us are
clutzes and have our head in the clouds. We sometimes don't see something
if it's staring at us in the face. I've found some of the most sensory
people out there thinking that they are intuitives. Go figure! Let me also
say that the SJ is the most common type, and then the SP is the second most
common. The SP, however, is the most diverse group of people of them all.
You will find so many different kinds of people in the SP group. It is
usually a safe bet that when in doubt about a person's type, they are
usually SP. This is because the SP does show a form of intuition. But this
is pragmatic intuition - being able to see patterns right in front of them.
They make up a large potion of leaders of the computer age (a sensory
tool). They sometimes mistake this for N, but it is NOT. One other thing I
need to mention is that the Myers-Briggs indicator test is *usually* wrong.
Even many of the people at Type Resources agree that there are very serious
flaws in it. I have examined that test and have found way too many
questions that can be answered from several different perspectives, thus
altering the outcome of the indicator. Then what good is it, you may ask?
Well, for one, it almost always assesses an SJ accurately. For two, it
provides a framework for self-selecting types by comparing and contrasting
yourself with that type and descriptions of other types that have one or
two different functions. Now, after years of reflection, I have concluded
that Servalan is an SP. There really is no way she can be any of the other
types. I don't think there's any question about this one. She loves the
power. Guardians like to lead for the good of the group, whereas she has
her own plans for her own interests. She's too one-sided to be a rational.
Yes, she can look at the "big picture," as many artisans can if it suits
them, but I find her mentality nothing at all like mine or other NTs. I'm
an ENTJ and a very typical one. I find very little NT about her. She's not
interested in knowledge for its own sake like Avon is. So no, I don't think
she's a rational. As for Blake, he is *definitely* an extraverted NF.
Whether he's a P or a J, that is open. Famous NFs include Ghandi, Martin
Luther King, & Florence Nightengale. But the thing that I find most
fascinating about Blake's 7 is that it's the only series, as far as I know,
to have an idealist as captain of the ship. (Jim Kirk was an SP, Picard was
an NT/SJ (both) and Sheridan is a combination of all four, which is
something else we call "hero," or a "perfect human." No one in real life
can be a combination of two or more - you can only be one. Combinations are
only found in fictional stories. Of course, none of the Blake's 7
characters are combinations. That is why these characters are so
realistic.) Many people who watch Blake's 7 criticize Blake's captaining
abilities. They say that he is a "stumble bumb" leader, who makes rash
decisions and then sees where they will lead him. He is also bad at
mobilizing his people to doing a task and then seeing to it that everything
went smoothly. An example is in Seek-Locate-Destroy, when he inadvertantly
left Cally behind without noticing that she was missing. His approach to
leading his crew had direction, but it lacked details and it lacked a plan.
He never accounted for emergencies that might arise along the way. That was
his biggest downfall in almost all of the Blake's 7 stories. Idealists are
supposed to be the least of the four temperaments that are likely to lead
well. The unique aspect of Blake's 7 is that Terry Nation created for the
first time a crew led by an idealist. Usually, spaceship captains on
science-fiction sagas are artisans, guardians, or rationals. Blake had a
goal - to destroy the Federation, which came from his idealism, however, if
he had realized that he could accomplish that goal better if he
relinquished control of the Liberator over to say, perhaps, Jenna (an
artisan) or Avon (a rational), he may have had considerably more success. I
find it a fascinating saying that Avon says in the final episode, Blake,
"idealism is such a wonderful thing; all you really need is someone
rational to put it to proper use." This, of course, meant that under Avon's
leadership and Blake's role as a figurehead, the Anti-Federation Alliance
could be unified and expanded. This coincidence is astounding. It is almost
as if Terry Nation and Chris Boucher (the writer of that episode) knew
about Myers-Briggs theory.
-Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ)
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:58:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980202155811.1803A-100000@bsauasb>
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I reckon Avon is DNRC.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:21:15 -0000
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <space-city@world.std.com>
Cc: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Videos
Message-Id: <199802021620.RAA28870@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
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Harriet Wrote:
A friend has just forwarded this to me:
<<We are stocking the new B7 Seven Fold Crown audio cassette and the
releases of the B7 videos
John Fitton (International Mail Order) 1, Orchard Way, Hensall. Nr
Goole. E
Yorkshire DN14 0RT England
Fax Orders + 44 (0)1977662501 (add international code)
Phone orders + 44 (0)1977661048 (add International Code)
E Mail john@jfitt.demon.co.uk
www.netlink.co.uk/users/jfitton/johns.html (full catalogue)
One of the best selections of Dr Who, Star Trek. Star Wars. X Files
Babylon
5 etc. merchandise anywhere Visa/Mastercard accepted>>
Is this the official new outlet for the videos? Or are they dealing
in the
old ones?
Harriet
----------
They are rather expensive to be the old ones! £10.99 each plus p&p.
He says they are getting them in the next 2 days - maybe I might get
a couple, just to complete my collection....
I think I'll wait and see though.
Jenni
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:16:12 -0700 (MST)
From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To: parallax@wire.net.au (Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris)
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Federation's Constitution
Message-Id: <199802021616.JAA01220@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
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>
> Because Australia is currently having a constitutional convention to
> determine whether or not we become a republic and, if so, under what model,
> the ABC (Aussie version of the BBC) has developed a great little site with
> some games etc for use in schools.
>
> One game, Simcon, enables the player to create a constitution which is then
> rated on a scale as regards to wealth, stability, trade, freedom and
> militarism.
>
> I decided to create a constitution as close as possible to the way I think
> Servalan would have wanted it :-) and I came up with a pretty fair rating
> for what the Federation was like (high on militarism, low on freedom, about
> middling in trade, wealth and stability).
>
> If you'd like to have a whirl, the URL is:
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/concon/games/simcon.htm
>
> You'll need the latest Shockwave plug in to play it.
I hate to say this, but look at republics today and
Servalan; IHMO THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!
>
> Relle
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
> parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
> "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
> by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:22:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Neal Smith <nsmith@micro.ti.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] vilafication
Message-Id: <199802021622.KAA27134@utopia.micro.ti.com>
Lorna writes:
>
> Might I add that it's also unnecessary to vilify *any* of the characters.
That's right - we already have one Vila. No need to make any of the
other characters into Vila by Vilifying them.
Which is half a joke, but halfway a serious linguistic observation -
Vila does bear the brunt of most of the verbal abuse, or vilafication,
on the show.
Neal
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:27:30 -0800
From: "Adam L. Fuller" <adfuller@ix.netcom.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980202092727.0068c0b8@POPD.ix.netcom.com>
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There's one other thing I forgot to mention. Sorry for the second post so
soon. DJ said that the INTP makes up 1 to 3 percent of the population. You
probably got this figure from a MBT resource. Well, I'm willing to say
right now, that this figure is impossible because NTs only make up 3% of
the world's population, and there are four forms of NT: INTJ, INTP, ENTJ,
ENTP. NFs make up 2%. they are *extremely* rare people. SJs make up 45%,
and SPs make up 40%. There are *much* fewer Ns in the world than MBTI
literature claims. This is primarily because the world doesn't need very
many Ns. The S function, however, is very needed.
One of the best books on the subject of Myers-Briggs is "Please Understand
Me" by David Kiersey. I found it to be the most accurate.
I also feel like I appeared as if I was beating up on SPs in my last
letter. Quite the contrary! In fact, I respect SPs a lot and I very much
wish that I can be more like them. They have all the fun in life and know
how to do things that as an NT, I really wish I could do. They are the
movers and shakers of our world. They are also great to have around in
emergencies! NTs value competence, and if there's one thing that SPs have,
it's competence. I respect that and envy it. My problem with SPs, however,
is that they just don't get it sometimes!
-Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ)
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:00:22 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7 fans and Myers-Briggs
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Lisa, Alex, DJ et al -
Thanks for telling us about this - very fascinating. I love to learn about
a new thing. I note that I am apparently also an NTP - though extrovert of
course - and I started to think whether this was a typical SF-fan
classification.
So I was wondering if this classification could also be applied to Blake
Seven fans, as well as B7 characters. BTW I know this classification system
is a serious and legitimate thing - I've just been reading up about it, and
I'm impressed. I'm just playing about with it here, and oversimplifying for
a laugh, but I'm not being disrespectful.
I notice that fans are very diverse, and fanfiction reflects this
diversity. As I say I think NT's (rational/ choleric) - interested in ideas
- are typical SF fans, who probably read and watch a lot of other SF
material as well as B7. I would guess we are also the ones who are bothered
by the scientific and other mistakes in the scripts, and complain vocally.
And argue on the spinlist.
On the other hand SP's (dionysian/artisan/sensualists) are probably more
interested in the physical interactions between the characters and combine
B7 fandom with other relationship-based fandoms, may even be slash writers.
Highlander anyone?
SJ's (guardians/traditionalists) would I guess be the ones most likely to
have strong preferences among the characters and to perceive moral failings
in the characters they dislike. They would see Blake (or Avon, or
Jenna..etc.) as 'wrong'. I see the recent vilification debate as very much
the province of the SJ's. Oh - I would also guess that these fans are the
ones who know the canon most comprehensively, including the names of the
minor characters and actors. You know who you are out there!
NFs (idealists/spiritual) would be the people who find a strong moral theme
to B7, and compare it to 'literature' - I know I can also go this way
myself. These are also perhaps the people who 'love' B7 the most. I would
say these are the people who don't compare B7 to other TV shows, and don't
have other fandoms, but read a lot of books. Perhaps classics, perhaps
fantasy, or both. They cry when they watch 'Blake'
Now tell me about it.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:18:03 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7 FANS & Myers-Briggs
Message-ID: <886414837.102136.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
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Lisa, Alex, DJ et al -
Thanks for telling us about this - very fascinating. I love to learn about
a new thing. I note that I am apparently also an NTP - though extrovert of
course - and I started to think whether this was a typical SF-fan
classification.
So I was wondering if this classification could also be applied to Blake
Seven fans, as well as B7 characters. BTW I know this classification system
is a serious and legitimate thing - I've just been reading up about it, and
I'm impressed. I'm just playing about with it here, and oversimplifying for
a laugh, but I'm not being disrespectful.
I notice that fans are very diverse, and fanfiction reflects this
diversity. As I say I think NT's (rational/ choleric) - interested in ideas
- are typical SF fans, who probably read and watch a lot of other SF
material as well as B7. I would guess we are also the ones who are bothered
by the scientific and other mistakes in the scripts, and complain vocally.
And argue on the spinlist.
On the other hand SP's (dionysian/artisan/sensualists) are probably more
interested in the physical interactions between the characters and combine
B7 fandom with other relationship-based fandoms, may even be slash writers.
Highlander anyone?
SJ's (guardians/traditionalists) would I guess be the ones most likely to
have strong preferences among the characters and to perceive moral failings
in the characters they dislike. They would see Blake (or Avon, or
Jenna..etc.) as 'wrong'. I see the recent vilification debate as very much
the province of the SJ's. Oh - I would also guess that these fans are the
ones who know the canon most comprehensively, including the names of the
minor characters and actors. You know who you are out there!
NFs (idealists/spiritual) would be the people who find a strong moral theme
to B7, and compare it to 'literature' - I know I can also go this way
myself. These are also perhaps the people who 'love' B7 the most. I would
say these are the people who don't compare B7 to other TV shows, and don't
have other fandoms, but read a lot of books. Perhaps classics, perhaps
fantasy, or both. They cry when they watch 'Blake'
Now tell me about it.
Alison
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:40:44 -0000
From: rherfind <rherfind@pressenter.com>
To: " blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Thomas Covenant
Message-Id: <E0xzQ9e-0008CR-00@barak.pressenter.com>
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>
> Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com> writes:
>
> > Dune went to 9 books?!
>
> No. Herbert died while writing number seven. And unlike Hubbard, death
> actually made him *stop* writing.
Hubbard had actually finished the books (I recall hearing), but many of
them ended up being released after he passed away. The reason for the
late releases being marketing (i.e. evenly staggered releases sell better
than 10 books just being dumped on the market at once).
If some of you have never read the Mission Earth Series (10 books). It
is well worth it. I went through it the first time in about 2 weeks my
freshman year in high school (needless to say my class notes during that
time were quite poor). I have read it several times since and enjoy it
every time. I don't always agree with his portrayals, but who says that
should hinder one's enjoyment.
It also makes a nice comeback to Scientology.
"Have you read Dianetics?"
"Yes, L. Ron Hubbard is a great FICTION writer."
Tends to shut them up when you've read more of his works then they have.
(Appologies to any offended Scientolgist. I'm not biased, I think all
religions are silly- New appologies to any offended Christians, Muslims
or religious people)
Reuben
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:57:31 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake's 7 & Myers-Briggs
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980202145424.00d40ea0@dallas.net>
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While messing about on the web today I found that Keirsey (of the
previously mentioned book _Please Understand Me_ and other M-B related
stuff) has a website at <http://keirsey.com/>. Worth checking out; he's got
his Temperament Sorter test there (the only place on the web where it's
actually authorized to be), plus a new Character Sorter test which is in a
different format. I took the new one; I'm still INTJ. (No surprise there,
since I'm quite a strong INTJ.)
Anyhow, those of you who are looking into this might want to check out his
site.
--
- Lisa
<lcw@dallas.net>
<lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
Lisa's Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:20:51 -0700
From: "John J. Doherty" <alijd@gemini.oscs.montana.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Cygnus Alpha Cult
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980202142051.007be720@gemini.oscs.montana.edu>
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At 01:48 PM 1/31/98 -0000, Alison Page wrote:
>Heather 'insert text here' Smith said -
>
>> Not wishing to sound disrespectful in anyway, but who the hell are LDS?
>
>I was thinking the Church of the Latter Day Saints = Mormons. Is that
>right?
>
Right. Though any members of the church I have dealt with think of Mormon
as a kind of insult. Penny might be able to address that. The full name
is the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, which is a bit of a
mouthfull for most people, so it is commonly abreviated to LDS. At least
commonly in southern Montana, bordering as we do eastern Idaho (a big LDS
community) and having Utah between me and where I want to be -- Northern
Arizona if you are interested.
A cult, if I remember the definition, is by necessity exclusionary.
Members are cut off from any and all outside influence. Their beliefs are
secret (to an extent) and revealed in stages. They are usually accused of
brain washing. Admittedly, most religions are exclusionary, and some only
reveal their major secrets to an initiate few. That kind of makes the
villification LDS underwent a hypocrisy, but when has THAT ever stopped one
religion from attacking another -- LDS really came about in the WASP (White
Anglo Saxon Protestant) heartland of America. In current times, LDS is a
realtively conservative religion, making it very easy to attack. For the
record, I'm not LDS, but I don't run and hide when the missionaries come
knocking.
Vargas's religion would be better compared with Scientology (or at least
what we know of it from the Internet-based "revelations" about it).
Mind-control is the big thing, and the drug is the best mind control you
can get.
-- John
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:04:24 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] more skyhooks
Message-ID: <7v9u6HAIbi10EwEE@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199802021349.AAA03278@budapest.ozonline.com.au>, Roger The
Shrubber <darrenro@ozonline.com.au> writes
>AVON (IS JUST A DIRTY NERD)
<giggle>
plus other great tracks from Skyhook's Greatest Hits.
Since I could well be the only UK resident on this list to own a copy of
said album, shall I try and remember to bring a tape along to Neutral
Zone & Deliverance so the rest of the Brits can hear what these should
sound like?
Come on, then, let's have the words for the tracks that were banned from
broadcast in Australia. I'm sure some of the members would like to hear
Smut...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:26:13 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Guards, Guards
Message-ID: <O+izOgA1nj10EwTr@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Found this in alt.fan.pratchett tonight - more tour dates:
w/c 18/5/98 Theatre Royal, Hanley
w/c 25/5/98 His Majesties Theatre, Aberdeen
w/c 1/6/98 Kings Theatre, Edinburgh
w/c 8/6/98 Hexagon Theatre, Reading
w/c 15/6/98 Civic Theatre, Darlington
Check out the web page at http://www.uktw.co.uk/info/guards.htm
for more information, tour dates, booking info and ticket sales even.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:39:45 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Spin" <b7spin@metva.com.au>
Cc: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Thomas Covenant
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Reuben wrote:
> If some of you have never read the Mission Earth Series (10 books). It
> is well worth it. I went through it the first time in about 2 weeks my
> freshman year in high school (needless to say my class notes during that
> time were quite poor). I have read it several times since and enjoy it
> every time. I don't always agree with his portrayals, but who says that
> should hinder one's enjoyment.
Oh dear - no no no. I managed to actually finish the first one, and it was
so awful. It was even worse than EE "Doc" Smith, and in exactly the same
way, which is really quite impressive. Just complete junk. It was even
badly written, which at least Smith's books weren't. I'd be willing to bet
Elron started writing them when he was ten, judging by the standard of
writing. And that one book was longer than most of Smith's multi-volume
series put together. Just don't.
Then again, I couldn't wade through Lord of the Rings, but hammered through
Covenant, so some of you might love it. It's nothing like LotR, though -
the only thing they share is length. Otherwise, they are complete
opposites.
This has been sent off to the spin list, BTW.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:05:56 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad 2/2
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Alison said:
> Oh of course, Sue is right, Cally = Kali. And as Louise says, Dayna =
> Diana.
(Well, it was me wearing my Louise disguise, but I quibble)
> This must mean that Jenna = Juno. After all she is almost the definition
> of the physical type known as Junoesque. Very queenly.
>
> Hmm.. perhaps they had given this naming scheme up by the time they got
> to Soolin, or am I missing something obvious? Personally I think they
> could have named her after the Amazon Queen - what was her name? (looks
> it up) Hypolita. Nothing like Soolin.
Well, in one of his films (which one has completely fled my mind - it might
even be Enter the Dragon), Bruce Lee's sister is called Su Lin. She's small
and lethal, too. Not lethal enough, unfortunately - she gets killed by a
horde of henchmen, thus launching Bruce on a one-man mission to avenge blah
blah blah. I don't think this was an influence, though. I just happened to
spot it.
Any famous gunslingers named Susan or Linda? Only female gun fighter I know
of is Annie Oakley.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:18:39 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Time Squad
Message-ID: <19980202.181542.3319.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
My favorite line from Time Squad:
Vila: I should hate to be eaten by something stupid.
It may be my favorite Vila line from the whole series. I'm not sure.
Penny
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:51:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Videos
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.09-0202185159-354Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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On Mon 02 Feb, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> A friend has just forwarded this to me:
>
> <<We are stocking the new B7 Seven Fold Crown audio cassette and the
> releases of the B7 videos
>
> John Fitton (International Mail Order) 1, Orchard Way, Hensall. Nr Goole. E
> Yorkshire DN14 0RT England
> Fax Orders + 44 (0)1977662501 (add international code)
> Phone orders + 44 (0)1977661048 (add International Code)
> E Mail john@jfitt.demon.co.uk
> www.netlink.co.uk/users/jfitton/johns.html (full catalogue)
> One of the best selections of Dr Who, Star Trek. Star Wars. X Files Babylon
> 5 etc. merchandise anywhere Visa/Mastercard accepted>>
>
> Is this the official new outlet for the videos? Or are they dealing in the
> old ones?
I'd wait. Horizon say they will be stocking the new videos soon and I'd give
them a fair chance of negotiating a discount.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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