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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 59
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: safety
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
Re: [B7L] Grandstanding
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
[B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
[B7L] Pictures
Re: [B7L] Dr. Luv
[B7L] Re: Dr. Luv
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
[B7L] re: Deliverence
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence
Re: [B7L] Space Island One
Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake
Re: [B7L] Vila vs Avon in the lust stakes
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
[B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing
[B7L] Zine Sale
[B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing
Re: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing
[B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence)
[B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake
RE: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
[B7L] Weapons at Deliverance
[B7L] TN expansion (was Vila and the Meyers Test)
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: safety
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On Sun 22 Feb, brent@ntr.net wrote to Helen:
> Of course that thought didn't occur to them, I never said that it did (and
> if you weren't so blind in your fervent support for Avon, you would have
> seen my thinking in the first place).
Having read most of this thread and joined in fair bit of it (usually on the
opposite side to Helen), I'd say that she's fervent, but not blind.
As far as I'm aware, she recognises Avon's flaws along with the rest of us. We
don't expect him to be a saint, because he wasn't. He was cynical, pragmatic
and occasionally capable of extreme self-sacrifice. Which of those came to the
fore on any particular occasion depended on many factors.
If you were one of the few people he was willing to die for (like Anna) then you
were safe anywhere with him (safe in the sense that he would not intentionally
take you into danger and would risk all to get you out of it). If you weren't,
then the risk increased in many different ways.
There were risks he would take for the entire crew that he would not always take
for an individual member of it.
For Avon, choosing to die with Vila, when he knew that one of them could live,
was not an option. Another character like Dayna might have chosen to draw lots
to see who lived, but then killing came easily to Dayna, so I don't know for
sure that she wouldn't have taken Avon's route (though Scorpio's crew were a
substitute family to her, so I don't think she would have tried to kill in
Vila's case). I'm not sure that we're trying to determine whether Avon was
right or wrong in deciding to live; we're more trying to work out what drives
him to a decision and what decision he would make in any particular case.
Tarrant might well have chosen the 'die together' option. Dawn of the Gods
suggests this. (Though I'd happily shoot the script writer for making Avon so
stupid as to think he could survive a black hole by being a in space suit!)
Whether that option is 'better' or 'worse' is probably a discussion more suited
to the spin list.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:32:56 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety
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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote:
> Harmless? HARMLESS!!! A great, lumbering brute, dirt smeared and
> horribly scarred, wild-eyed and disheveled, a known fanatic bent on mass
> destruction, found spinning webs in a hole at the center of a wasp's
> nest of cutthroats and criminals, and you call him ...
> <sputter, choke, gag, grape soda spewing out my nose> HARMLESS?!?!
HazMat technicians arrive at the Patera residence and confiscate
container of grape soda. HazMat technician reads label on side of
container. "As we suspected! Active ingredient: eye of troll." Addressing
Pat: "Ma'am, didn't you read the warning on the side? It says right here
'The Surgeon General has determined that consumption of this product may
cause dizziness, hallucinations, and distorted vision. Do not ingest
nasally.'"
Sue, unable to locate the character Pat was decribing in my set of Blake's
7 tapes. Although Travis fits many of the particulars.
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:38:35 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
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In a message dated 98-02-22 23:57:40 EST, Nicola wrote:
<< All I know is, I hear that voice, or catch a
certain facial expression, and Intellect and Reason get hauled out into an
alley, beaten and left for dead by the Gland Gang.
ttfn, Nicola >>
That's about the size of it! 2million years or so of evolution, and all
those hormones still control that big lump of meat in the skull... D.
Rose
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:53:29 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Grandstanding
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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Jacquelyn Taylor wrote:
> >>>>>> I like to think this is how Avalon worked; quietly, behind the scenes,
> knitting together a coalition of worlds. And this is the sad irony about
> Blake; that whatever the Federation did to his mental state, it caused
> him to put personal revenge (blowing up the odd base here and there)
> before the real power of politics - forming coalitions.>>>>>>>
>
> He blows up the odd base here and there not out of revenge but because
> he's not foolish enough to take on the entire Space Command at once. If
> he didn't have a ship and was ground-based, he would be organizing like
> Avalon (as he did post-Star One?).
There is need for both kinds of rebel activity, and other kinds
besides, like people to organize on the planetary level and prepare for
the aftermath. One person can't, and shouldn't, be doing all of them.
Blake is doing his part, Avalon is doing hers, Shivan, Cauder, Kasabi,
Grant, LeGrand and others are doing theirs. Blake is part of a larger
movement, not acting in a vacuum (space puns aside).
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:40:48 -0500 (EST)
From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
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At 8:46 PM 2/22/98, Pat Patera wrote:
>Vila is a surprise, a pinata,
Well, that would explain my occasional desire to whack him with a big stick. <g>
Michelle
Vila fan, and definite I (I think most I's are way too outgoing, in fact....)
--
Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:50:49 -0800
From: "Adam L. Fuller" <adfuller@ix.netcom.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs
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>Cyberspace in general is crawling with INTs, because
>although they form a very small percentage of the general population, they
>often gravitate to techie fields and hence to an online presence.
Actually, SPs are the ones who dominate the computer and technical fields.
In fact, the Internet is an extremely SP tool. SPs love information and
resources, which is what the Internet is. It is also a very freedom
oriented thing. You can say pretty much anything on the Internet because it
is almost impossible to control and censor the entire world on the
Internet. But the reason NTs end up quite a bit on lists such as these is
because NTs enjoy long, drawn-out discussion. You can pretty much tell an
SP from their e-mails. They hate writing a lot because it's not thrilling
enough for them. They are the ones who coin phrases such as FAQ, BRB, FYI,
etc. They do it to cut down on the time it takes them to write a sentence.
They want it fast and easy, which is why they are often no fun to write
back and forth with on the Internet. So, this is why NTs are more common in
areas where a lot of writing is required, such as digests and lists.
-Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:53:19 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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Tramila said
> I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there
is
> not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's
> category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.)
Well I am an extrovert (ENTP) and I *love* Vila. I'm absurdly far gone in
that direction.
> Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila.
> <Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
> because she is truly scared.>
Tramila, perhaps I haven't made the point strongly enough on this list
(because it's a mixed type of list) but you are *certainly* not alone. All
that stuff about chucking Vila out the airlock doesn't mean I don't love
him.
> Tramila
> Chapter Member and Pres of VICE
> Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
The one I suggested on Space City was Ensure Vila Isn't Lonely.
> Take pity on this poor ESFJ. She's very like Vila.
>
> Tramila takes her bottle of Soma and joins Vila on the Liberator couch to
> sleep the day away in idle, unfocussed activity.
I always wonder - do we prefer a character because they are like us, or
because they are different? I sometimes think I like Vila just because he
is different from me.
Alison
I may not be
bad, but I'm EVIL.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:55:38 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Pictures
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I know Hanneke tends to lurk on this list, so I hope she doesn't mind me
recommending this site, which she brought to our attention on the other
list.
http://www.meteo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/theorie/paul/blakes7.html
I don't know if you have seen this one - I hadn't found it during my trawls
for B7 stuff. Perhaps it is rather new. Anyway - they are very high quality
screen shots. Unlike Lisa's excellent site he hasn't referenced the
pictures to speech and incident - but it is still a very good site.
The reason I *had* to mention it now is because there really are some
excellent Vila pictures there. Check out 407g and 411a, which are among the
best I have ever seen, and I think the latter is a picture of Vila telling
Avon off for trying to chuck him out the airlock - so it is fairly relevant
to current discussions.
Oh, and the guy who runs the site is obviously keen on Soolin, so if you
like the ice maiden, look no further.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dr. Luv
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 9:10 PM
Subject: [B7L] Dr. Luv
>Wow, that Dr. Luv knows his stuff. He was remarkably right on for me!
>91% Avon (YESS!)
>86% Soolin (my Golden Goddess)
>81% Vila
>71% Servalan
>67% Blake
>54% Gan
>47% Travis
>13% Dayna (she'd get on my nerves darn quick)
>
>But... but... Xena only ranked 26% !!! oh well, I'd be dead in a week.
>
>Pat P
Umm,
could someone let me know what/where/how/why,etc... this Dr. Luv string
started? Is there an URL or something.
Thanks
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
http://www.reuben.net/
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:54:22 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Dr. Luv
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Rueben wrote:
>Umm,
>could someone let me know what/where/how/why,etc... this Dr. Luv string
>started? Is there an URL or something.
It was me! The Dr. Love figures out your compatability with whoever you
choose.
Here's the website:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kink/love/
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:04:49 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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At 05:54 PM 2/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is
>not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's
>category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.)
I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure
in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E.
Although Avon is my favourite, Vila does come a close second. In fact when
I first watched the first two seasons, he was my favourite.
>
>Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila.
I'll back you up Tramila:-)
><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
>because she is truly scared.>
I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
Jay
100% Avon, but still with room to spare for Vila
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:15:46 +0000
From: "J.M.Willmott" <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Deliverence
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 08:04:36AM +0000, Julia Jones wrote:
> > In message <e04b1c04.34e8d83c@aol.com>, AChevron@aol.com writes
> > >In a message dated 98-02-16 17:27:10 EST, you write:
> > >
> > ><< for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight,
> > > >white-haired Welshman...
> > > >
> > > <evil grin>
> > >
> > > Wanna bet?
>
> > > Judith, you've done too good a job at defending/extolling/praising the
> > >lad!...
> > >
> > Actually I met Gareth at the first con I ever went to (he was the reason
> > I went to it), several months before I met Judith, and several more
> > months before getting a net connection.
> >
> > He's loverly.
>
> Indeed. But I don't see why Judith has to be so greedy - after all,
> she can grab Gareth at Neutral Zone (while I shyly hovver near James
> Morrison...)
Do not forget though, that Judith will have to share Gareth at Neutral
Zone as well.
But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you
spent all last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional
Liberator handgun!!
>
> As for loverly people, my vote is for Janet Lees Price! I assume she
> won't be there, since Paul isn't. But she's a *lovely* lady.
Seconded - wholeheartedly. Someone who quite happily *shares* Paul at
conventions and theatres with fans (well she does get to take him home
afterwards!!). She isn`t patronising when talking to you, even though
she knows, and you know she knows, that you are there (conventions or
theatres) purely because you *fancy/love/lust/drool* (if they are the
correct terms :-)) after her husband.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:53:11 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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>> Tramila takes her bottle of Soma and joins Vila on the Liberator couch to
>> sleep the day away in idle, unfocussed activity.
Can anyone join in?? Save me some!!
>
>I always wonder - do we prefer a character because they are like us, or
>because they are different? I sometimes think I like Vila just because he
>is different from me.
I think we like a character because they are different from us. I would
like to be more like my favourite. *Not* exactly like him, no way, but
more like him. For example, with Avon and Vila, I'd love to be able come
up with the put downs and one liners that they do. But it's hours later
that I think of something witty. Of course the writers probably sat around
for hours thinking that stuff up, so I don't feel so bad. We'd also like
to be able to get away with some of the stuff the characters do (this goes
for any character), but in real life, that's just not possible.
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:57:47 -0500 (EST)
From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer)
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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At 9:53 AM 2/23/98, Jay wrote:
>I think we like a character because they are different from us.
Except that in every fandom I've ever been in, the characters I like best
are the characters who are =most= like me. B7's no exception. I'm a diehard
Vila fan, and while Vila and I have huge points of difference (like, the
room party at the second Vidcon aside, I really don't drink much; other
people's property is safe around me, etc.), I'm the most like Vila.
This holds true in other fandoms as well; some characters are,
personality-wise, near exact matches (there's one character in particular
who, 99% of the time, I can write by thinking "What would =I= do?"), and
some are farther off, but all in all, the characters I like are ones I feel
a strong sense of identification with.
--
Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:21:44 -0000
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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Tramila wrote:
>
> > We extroverts never have a problem with this. (Did I mention that
I score
> > 10 to 0 in favor of the Big E.? hehehehe
And you said you were scared! I'm believing Pat P from now on ;-)
Actually, I'm an ENFJ, but I *only* got 9/10 on the E score.
> >
>
> What about introverts who _fake_ being extorverts? I did that for a
few
> years, and can still do it when the need arises. I love being on
stage,
> by the way-- I'm reserved mostly 'cause I'm scared people won't
like
> _me_-- acting solves the problem by turning me into someone else.
Any
> other "I" types feel that way?
My boyfriend does that, and he's an...oh I can't remember the
letters, but it was the one they called "Councellor". He calls it
being on stage - did you mean actual acting or acting the part of an
extrovert?
Avona also wrote:
>I don't lust after Avon, oddly enough. I think he'd be horrible to
be in
>love with, because he'd always be pushing me away. Because I am
>reserved, I _need_ to feel the other person is crazy about me in
order
>to loosen up. But I'd like to help him realize _other_ aspects of
his
>personality, be a person he could trust, and put some balance in
that
>man's extreme life.
I'd love for Avon to love me! It's his single mindedness, that focus
you feel he could bring to, well, sex really (blush). It's also the
whole pygmalion complex - I could make him happier, I could make him
trust himself and me, etc, etc, etc. And that spice of danger - a
recipe for "Live fast, die young, leave a beautiful corpse" but who
cares! I proudly wear the badge of A.S.S. (should the two ss stand
for Sex Slave?)
I love Vila, but in a completely platonic way. I'd love his company,
I'm sure he would be a lech, but I don't actually have a problem with
people who lech in the way he does (and I do know a few). In fact
they can be fun, if you just take it as a compliment, and tease them.
I think I could get very close to Vila, but the lack of lust probably
prohibits me from joining the V.I.C.E. (sniff).
Blake is second in the lust stakes for me - very large (to me, I'm
only 5'2") protective bear of a man, he looks strong too, and he's
*nice*, with far too much charisma to be left languishing in the
platonic zone. Probably not devoted enough to be a B.I.T.C.H. though.
Mind you, Tarrant has fantastic eyes, a great smile, sex appeal so
strong you could strip paint with it, and now he's older he has a
*much* nicer body (I've seen him without his shirt on last week! hee
hee). hmmm Tarrant Nostra here I come.
OH NO! now that's sitting on the fence with a vengance! Are they all
mutually exclusive?
Jenni
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:28:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence
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On Mon 23 Feb, J.M.Willmott wrote:
> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> > Do not forget though, that Judith will have to share Gareth at Neutral Zone
> > as
> > well.
>
> But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you spent all
> last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional Liberator handgun!!
<smile> come along and share him. You know I'm only joking. (Now where did I
put that gun...)
Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the only
convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my Liberator gun?
Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations, you can only carry replica
weapons (of any kind) during the fancy dress competition, and then only with
permission. I'm going to check that I've read it correctly, but it does seem
rather depressing.
> > As for loverly people, my vote is for Janet Lees Price! I assume she
> > won't be there, since Paul isn't. But she's a *lovely* lady.
>
> Seconded - wholeheartedly. Someone who quite happily *shares* Paul at
> conventions and theatres with fans (well she does get to take him home
> afterwards!!). She isn`t patronising when talking to you, even though
> she knows, and you know she knows, that you are there (conventions or
> theatres) purely because you *fancy/love/lust/drool* (if they are the
> correct terms :-)) after her husband.
Although I've never met her, I've written to her on occasion and she does come
over as a very likeable person.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:31:09 EST
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Island One
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In a message dated 98-02-22 09:52:59 EST, you write:
<< Last week's episode of Space Island One was familiar. >>
Being an ignorant American, I'm unfamiliar with Space Island One. Can anyone
give me information on it, actors, plots etc., and how I can see it?
Thanks,
Gwynn
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:36:19 EST
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake
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In a message dated 98-02-22 16:43:22 EST, you write:
<< That's because nobody ever dies in Trek - I am never the least bit
troubled by any of the "deadly" aliens, anomolies, etc. that are tossed
at the crews of these shows, for I *know* that all will be fine and
continue their dreary lives, week after week, having exactly the same
dull adventures. One of the best things about B7 is that they truly did
different things every ep. Imagine how boring it would be if they blew
up a base every show? Sorta like how dull it got to see Cally possessed
every show ;)
>>
And now we go into another dull tirade of how bad Trek is supposed to be. Can
we leave this alone? Being a Trek fan, it gets a little irritating. The
series are different. They have different purposes. Sort of like comparing
apples and oranges......
Gwynn
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:55:13 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila vs Avon in the lust stakes
Message-Id: <l03130300b11781a562ac@[139.80.16.149]>
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>> >And if grabbed me in one of those famous
>> >Avon embraces... smooches to forget the future for!
>>
>> Apart from the taste of ash-tray :(
>
>But, I don't think _Avon_ the character would smoke. Too
>life-threatening. He also never smokes in any episode (though we do see
>him stick gum under a console). I'm not mixing the character with the
>actor. I didn't try to get Paul to kiss me, due to the ash-tray factor.
And I wouldn't either, even if his breath was sweeter than that of my
beloved, and he wasn't approximately the same age as my father :). It's
_Avon_ who gets my hormones going, and PD's not the same person. Although
he does bear an uncanny physical resemblance ;). And I'd be very interested
in meeting him (and the rest of the cast) if the opportunity arises.
I watched Aftermath last night. Those scenes of unconcious Avon in the life
pod *sigh*; those kisses *sigh*; the sniping between Dayna and Servalan
*cackle*
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:19:52 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety
Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980223111952.0070bf08@earthlink.net>
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Pat Patera wrote:
>> Harmless? HARMLESS!!! A great, lumbering brute, dirt smeared and
>> horribly scarred, wild-eyed and disheveled, a known fanatic bent on mass
>> destruction, found spinning webs in a hole at the center of a wasp's
>> nest of cutthroats and criminals, and you call him ...
>> <sputter, choke, gag, grape soda spewing out my nose> HARMLESS?!?!
Sue wrote:
> HazMat technicians arrive at the Patera residence and confiscate
>container of grape soda. HazMat technician reads label on side of
>container. "As we suspected! Active ingredient: eye of troll." Addressing
>Pat: "Ma'am, didn't you read the warning on the side? It says right here
>'The Surgeon General has determined that consumption of this product may
>cause dizziness, hallucinations, and distorted vision. Do not ingest
>nasally.'"
Tramila peels the false label that Sue placed over the grape label in order to
confusual Pat. Tramila shakes her head. Yelp. She's a B.I.T.C.H. all
right. Fits right into the Blake gang.
Oh and BTW. I think Pat was referring not only to Space One and Blake but
also to all the references made about him before the Federation got a hold
of the man and scrambled his brains.
>Sue, unable to locate the character Pat was decribing in my set of Blake's
>7 tapes. Although Travis fits many of the particulars.
Tramila removes Sue's glasses, cleans them thoroughly and puts them back on
her nose. "There. Is that better Sue?"
Hummmmm.... Tramila just realized that she's not lurking the way she
planned to lurk and that perhaps it's not a good idea to bait the
B.I.T...... I means the Blake fans.
Hugs Sue. (Hope you take this in the fun that it was meant to be taken.)
Tramila loves her V.I.C.E.'s. <g>
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:44:47 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
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>>I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is
>>not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's
>>category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.)
Jay wrote:
>I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure
>in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E.
LOL. I don't know. I tested myself two years ago and was an E-SN-FJ. I
guess you can change but I think perhaps it is a close, over-a-long-time
process.
>Although Avon is my favourite, Vila does come a close second. In fact when
>I first watched the first two seasons, he was my favourite.
:)
>>Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila.
>I'll back you up Tramila:-)
Thank you. Thank you.
>><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
>>because she is truly scared.>
>
>I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
Tramila takes Jay's hand as they read the list together.
>Jay
>100% Avon, but still with room to spare for Vila
LOL. Cool.
Tramila
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:09:05 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence
Message-ID: <19980224070905.58089@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 06:28:43PM +0000, Judith Proctor wrote:
> On Mon 23 Feb, J.M.Willmott wrote:
> > But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you
> > spent all last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional
> > Liberator handgun!!
>
> <smile> come along and share him. You know I'm only joking.
> (Now where did I put that gun...)
>
> Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the
> only convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my
> Liberator gun? Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations,
> you can only carry replica weapons (of any kind) during the fancy
> dress competition, and then only with permission. I'm going to check
> that I've read it correctly, but it does seem rather depressing.
It's quite a common rule, and becoming more common. Or maybe it's
just more common in U.S. conventions. I think it's more common at
really big conventions, where they are more afraid of things going
wrong, or more afraid of jumpy people getting upset at people walking
around with weapons.
It *is* depressing - I bought my Liberator handgun ages ago, and I
still haven't worn it to a single convention! At least teleport
bracelets aren't weapons. I considered it very ironic that there I
was at a US convention (probably Worldcon) drooling over the swords in
the dealers room, and realized it was pointless buying one, because I
would never be able to wear it. However, I got a brilliant idea - I'm
going to use the Gandalf defence this time around - a staff isn't a
weapon!
Kat "the barbarian" Andersen
(waiting on her Cordwainer to finish her boots...)
--
_--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
/ \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat
\_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h"
v |
------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:56:56 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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At 01:57 PM 2/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I think we like a character because they are different from us.
>
>Except that in every fandom I've ever been in, the characters I like best
>are the characters who are =most= like me. B7's no exception. I'm a diehard
>Vila fan, and while Vila and I have huge points of difference (like, the
>room party at the second Vidcon aside, I really don't drink much; other
>people's property is safe around me, etc.), I'm the most like Vila.
>
>This holds true in other fandoms as well; some characters are,
>personality-wise, near exact matches (there's one character in particular
>who, 99% of the time, I can write by thinking "What would =I= do?"), and
>some are farther off, but all in all, the characters I like are ones I feel
>a strong sense of identification with.
I guess with me it's opposites that attract in fandom. In real life hubby
and I are nearly identical in manner, temporament, etc. So much so that at
times it gets kind of boring. Which, I think is why I like my fictional
characters to be different. I'd love to go off following an Avon (or even
a Blake) type, if that was ever possible, but in reality I probably
wouldn't and stick to the safety of my four walls and dear hubby.:-)
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:01:32 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
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At 11:44 AM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Jay wrote:
>>I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure
>>in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E.
>
>LOL. I don't know. I tested myself two years ago and was an E-SN-FJ. I
>guess you can change but I think perhaps it is a close, over-a-long-time
>process.
Maybe, I found with some of those statements I really wouldn't have acted
either way, I would have done something different, but I picked the nearest
one. So, for me at least, it might not be totally accurate.
>
>>>Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila.
>>I'll back you up Tramila:-)
>
>Thank you. Thank you.
Your welcome :-)
>
>>><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
>>>because she is truly scared.>
>>
>>I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
>
>Tramila takes Jay's hand as they read the list together.
Oh thankyou, I'm begining to find my way. <grips Tramila's hand tightly>
>
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:04:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980223145317.1742A-100000@inet-ux.graceland.edu>
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I have been completely in the dark about this Meyers-Briggs testing until
today when I could read over my messages properly. This has been a busy
week! Anyway, I went to take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and I'm an
INFP. So I now know that I would be completely incompatible to Avon
because two introverts just don't mix. This also follows up on results
from Dr. Love as well! Damn! But I do like the INFP fact page, it's quite
right in my opinion.
I suppose now I'm going to have to scratch up the reason for my
fascination with Avon purely on his body! ; \
Grace Robbins (INFP)
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:17:32 -0500 (EST)
From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer)
To: Space City <space-city@europe.std.com>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zine Sale
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Due to the need to clear out at least one closet before April, I'm having
to sell off some zines. Most of them are all-B7 zines, lots of gen stuff
but also adult zines, and a few in other fandoms.
If you want the list, e-mail me privately.
Thanks.
--
Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:15:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980223151244.1742C-100000@inet-ux.graceland.edu>
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Oh no, I messed up again! I meant I'm an INFJ, not an INFP!! What is
wrong with me lately?! : P
--Grace
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:19:38 -0500 (EST)
From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing
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At 3:04 PM 2/23/98, G. Robbins wrote:
>I have been completely in the dark about this Meyers-Briggs testing until
>today when I could read over my messages properly. This has been a busy
>week! Anyway, I went to take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and I'm an
>INFP. So I now know that I would be completely incompatible to Avon
>because two introverts just don't mix.
Oh, I don't know about that. The S.O. and I are both introverts (she's an
INFP; I'm an INFJ) and we get along perfectly well....
--
Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us."
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:30:16 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
Message-Id: <l03130300b1179996130d@[139.80.16.149]>
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>Nicola Collie wrote:
[deletia]
>> Interestingly (to me anyway - I tend to bore others rigid), ...
Pat P:
>This reminds me of a line from the book: "INTJs like to dialogue on the
>7th plane of irreality." Yes, many people find INTJs boring. (That's why
>we're droning on on this list) Would you *really* want to listen to Avon
>and Orac discussing Particle Physics all nite?
>> I'd love to take Vila out for a beer.
>Can I join the party?
Sure, you can. I'll probably get so embarrased from being flirted with that
I'll need someone to take the heat off while I refresh my witty-comeback
dispenser. Just don't forget to buy your round 8).
Does Vila like the cuddly type? I know he's a leg man (City), and I do
think my ankles are my best feature ;), but the rest of me is far from
svelte.
Any thoughts on Avon's preferred type? If this were TheOtherList, I know
what the response would be :D
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:44:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Katherin M. McArthur" <mcarthur@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980223164100.23411A-100000@flagstaff.princeton.edu>
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, G. Robbins wrote:
> Oh no, I messed up again! I meant I'm an INFJ, not an INFP!! What is
> wrong with me lately?! : P
Heh. There's a collection on the net somewhere of personality
type prayers. The INFJ one is "Lord, help me not to be a perfectionist.
(Did I spell that correctly?)"
--Katie, INFJ
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:44:33 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence)
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Judith:
>> Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the
>> only convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my
>> Liberator gun? Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations,
>> you can only carry replica weapons (of any kind) during the fancy
>> dress competition, and then only with permission. I'm going to check
>> that I've read it correctly, but it does seem rather depressing.
Kat:
>It's quite a common rule, and becoming more common. Or maybe it's
>just more common in U.S. conventions. I think it's more common at
>really big conventions, where they are more afraid of things going
>wrong, or more afraid of jumpy people getting upset at people walking
>around with weapons.
Is it the _idea_ of the thing being a weapon that con organisers are
worried about? I can see the point with real or close-to-real-replica
swords, etc, or weapons that look like a real handgun or somesuch - there
could certainly be an incident involving thoughtless behaviour with that
sort of thing. As far as injuring someone, you could just as easily damage
someone with a heavy book as with a Liberator handgun replica.
Just curious
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:09:03 -0500 (EST)
From: brent@ntr.net
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake
Message-Id: <199802232209.RAA21150@rome.ntr.net>
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Pat P wrote:
>That's because nobody ever dies in Trek - I am never the least bit
>troubled by any of the "deadly" aliens, anomolies, etc. that are tossed
>at the crews of these shows, for I *know* that all will be fine and
>continue their dreary lives, week after week, having exactly the same
>dull adventures.
Yes, the only characters to ever die are the guest stars, crewmen with
redshirts, or characters that want to be written out (in which case we know
months in advance, anyway). Of the original Blake's 7 crew, only Vila and
Avon remained--now that's realistic! Whereas in Trek, I'm supposed to
believe that no one gets reassigned, dies, or is promoted to their own
damned command. No wonder I was starved for what Blake's 7 and Babylon 5
provide, I was raised on Trek! (At this point, I would like to say that
there were good episodes of Trek, BUT NOT AS MANY AS BLAKE'S 7!!!! :)
>> ...going back into
>> Lurker mode to contemplate life, love, and liberty. (And because I'm getting
>> no writing of my own done ;)
>aw, don't go!
>but before you do; what are you writing?
A novel. Sort of a sci-fi/horror hybrid. Of course, I haven't seemed to
get all of the writing that I want to do on this list out of my system yet,
so lurking will have to wait a little longer I suppose.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:32:12 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test
Message-ID: <01BD40A7.A05B5C60@host5-99-44-52.btinternet.com>
Helen wrote:
>I don't lust after Avon, oddly enough. I think he'd be horrible to be in
>love with, because he'd always be pushing me away.
Heck, I lust after Avon but I agree he'd be horrible to be in love with. The two don't necessarily equate!
Louise
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:08:14 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Weapons at Deliverance
Message-ID: <01BD40A7.A83E1940@host5-99-44-52.btinternet.com>
Judith, fear not! The weapons rule at Deliverance ends with the proviso:
"Of course, if in the best B7 tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer
or curling tongs, that's fine."
Liberator guns will fall into this category, I feel. The intention is not
to not to stop people carrying obviously fake 'ray guns', but to stop them
carrying not-so-obviously-fake replicas of modern guns, which can scare the
hell out of people who don't know you're at a convention in fancy dress.
Louise
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:17:13 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] TN expansion (was Vila and the Meyers Test)
Message-ID: <199802232217.RAA11325@yfn.ysu.edu>
Jennie wrote:
>Mind you, Tarrant has fantastic eyes, a great smile, sex appeal so
>strong you could strip paint with it, and now he's older he has a
>*much* nicer body (I've seen him without his shirt on last week! hee
>hee). hmmm Tarrant Nostra here I come.
First a moment for quiet panting... <pause> Then--
Yee-ha, welcome to the fold. You've already more than earned your
stripes.
>OH NO! now that's sitting on the fence with a vengance! Are they all
>mutually exclusive?
Definitely not, at least not as far as the Tarrant Nostra is concerned.
Many of our members list characters other than Tarrant as their
favorite. As long as His Curliness (I love that nickname--which
came from Jenni) is appreciated, we welcome you glee.
Carol McCoy
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:17:45 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223141745.006cbec0@succeed.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 11:28 AM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>oh and don't forget ROTFLMAO and YKYBWTMB7W
>he he
>
'Scuse me if I seem dense here, but could someone let me know what
YKYBWTMB7W means?
Jay
100% Avon
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