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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 81
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Caste Testing
Re: [B7L] Caste Testing
Re: [B7L] Caste Testing
[B7l] re: absolutely nothing
Re: [B7L] Caste Testing (Villa)
[B7L] zine prices
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #80
Re: [B7L] Winning is the Only Safety
[B7L] epitaph
[B7L] re: Smoking
[B7L] re: Winning is the Only Safety
Re: [B7L] re: Winning is the Only Safety
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:52:37 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Caste Testing
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[Judith]:
>Valient attemot to restore subject to B7. - Vila claimed to have bought
his
>delta grade classification. Presumably children must have been tested at
>various stages or he wouldn't have had to buy himself into his grade. Vila
was
>bright enough to be picked up on tests.
>
>Of course, he could have been lying. Maybe delta children were never
properly
>tested, but Vila was just resenting being put down by everyone and just
wanted
>to claim that he could have been upgraded.
Now, it's been bugging me for a while how
the class structure, intelligence and caste
interacted to produce grades - and this
is by far a more intelligent solution than I
ever came up with. <curteseys
reverentially to Judith>.
I always assumed Vila was fibbing,
yet I also feel he's highly intelligent.
So Judith is probably right - it
is entirely reasonable that tests
would be far from capable of taking
in cultural differences between
castes, and would be biased in
favour of the higher castes.
Remember what Fran said about
IQ testing of American children?
Testing is *never* a neutral
process.
So, it's easy to believe that a
smart but low-caste kid would
get a Delta classification. And
if he was aware of this it is equally
logical - 'specially if he's our
Vila - that he would lie about it.
Cheers, Judith,
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:38:40 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Caste Testing
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In a message dated 98-03-11 22:14:49 EST, you write:
<< So, it's easy to believe that a
smart but low-caste kid would
get a Delta classification. And
if he was aware of this it is equally
logical - 'specially if he's our
Vila - that he would lie about it.
Cheers, Judith, >>
I imagine the testing system was originally set up to produce a meritocracy
system, but over the last few centuries nepotism and the differences in
education at the different levels corrupted the process. Thus the Alphas
rarely dropped down, and fewer an fewer Deltas moved up. And for the few that
did, no doubt such exciting careers as company-grade line officers awaited(ie
cannon-fodder). Our resident thief, knowing this, probably was truthful in
saying he did buy his rating(maybe even switching his rating with an Alpha
whose scores were particullary abysimal). D. Rose
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:12:58 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Caste Testing
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Actually, my suspicion has always been that he doodled on his test
papers, not caring what grading he was put in. He was classified as a
Delta, and found it quite handy-- but occaisionally embarrassing. Thus,
"I bought my Delta Grade" But if you had to buy it, instead of cheating
for free, I don't think you'd make Alpha.
::smirk::
Avona
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:04:39 PST
From: "Don Trower" <gammablue@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7l] re: absolutely nothing
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I can understand the general confusion with these so called blank
emails....
It must be difficult to read if you are not used to them...
It's just Cally using email to send telepathic messages to us.
(Most of them just ask why no one replies ?)
Must go now the doctors are calling me.
Don.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:25:47 PST
From: "Don Trower" <gammablue@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Caste Testing (Villa)
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If Villa is the proffessional thief we all know him to be then his low
status, delta background etc., must be part of his thief's cover story.
The best way to rob an office block is to be a contract cleaner, low
status, few people acknowledge your existence but you have the door
keys/passes to the whole place, no one would question you walking into
high security Vem store carrying empty bin bags etc. The skill is
walking out with them not full of rubbish :)
The real background of Villa could go either way. A real delta that saw
this path as the only way up out of the gutter. Or....
1] An alpha/beta etc. with a greed that could be met by the means of a
thief.
2] An anything grade doing it 'cos he can. (More Avon in style)
My feeling is a real delta that knew to keep his head down, not too
bright or too stupid, the grey man.
Don.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:41:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] zine prices
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Owing to changes in the way American sales tax is charged, Linda Knights has had
to add 8% to all her zine prices. This has in turn had a knock on effect on
what I charge for them. Thus, all existing price sheets are out of date. My
web page will have all the new prices in a day or two.
If you want a copy of the new price sheet, ask me at Neutral Zone or
Deliverance, or send an SAE to Judith Proctor, 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen,
Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY, England.
The list of zines available has now been expanded to include Fifth Season (apart
from issue 1), The Other Side, and Chronicles, as well as Bizzaro, Southern
Seven, Southern Comfort, Gambit, etc.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:59:00 -0000
From: "norm" <storminnorm@themillenniumgroup.nwnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #80
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delete me from your mailing list please
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> From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se
> To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #80
> Date: 11 March 1998 21:56
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:17:14 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: PATTI McCLELLAN <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Winning is the Only Safety
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On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 05:58:00PM -0800, PATTI McCLELLAN wrote:
> Is there any way for someone like me, who has acces only to
> e-mail, but not to the internet proper, to get the above story off the
> Highlander Archive? If not, I'll just wait. One day, it will happen.
> I believe! Honest I do!
I have now put this on the Welkin information server, which is a very
simple mail-server 'bot on this machine.
To retrieve the file you send mail to
info@welkin.apana.org.au
with the Subject: line *exactly* like this:
Subject: send file works/witos1.txt
and the little program will mail the file back to you.
And you can then read it. (-8
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:03:05 +1100 (EST)
From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: [B7L] epitaph
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Here lies Blake, bullets in his chest
Shot by a friend who was somewhat stressed.
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What can I say? That was what the Muse told me. <grin>
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:11:39 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Smoking
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Julia Jones wrote:
>
> In message <Megw.5394025@powell.fabrik.com>, PATTI McCLELLAN
> <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com> writes
> > Perhaps I
> >could suggest you might hate the sin and not the sinner?
Many of
> >us started smoking before anyone (except perhaps the tobacco
> >companies) knew that it was lethal.
It was in the news recently that as far back as the second world war
scientists had proved the lethal properties associated with smoking.
Unfortunately, the nationality of the scientists, and the way the proof
was gathered was the reason that it was ignored. The results were stored
away, and not made public until recently ( whether the tobacco companies
were aware of the original findings I don`t know)
> It might be fair to think
> >ill of people who start smoking now. All the cards are on the
> >table.
It doesn`t matter how much it is drummed into the youth of today, if
they want to start smoking, they will.
>
> That depends on whether the sinner in question is one of the
> unfortunates who would like to give up, but can't beat the physical and
> emotional addiction (and tobacco is one of the most difficult
> recreational drugs to stop using) - or one of the bastards who thinks
> that smoking is so wonderful that they're going to share it with
> everybody around them, regardless of whether their neighbours wish to
> smoke. I have every sympathy for the former regardless of age, because
> I've seen how difficult it can be to resist the pressure to start, even
> in my age group, who certainly ought to know better.
Going back to my youth, I was the only girl in my year who did not
smoke. Not because I had any anti smoking tendencies (both my parents
were 30/40 day each), but because I tried it, and spent the rest of day
being violently sick. Nobody tried peer pressure after that.
Coming forward 25 years, my own children have grown up with 2 non
smoking parents, their aunts and uncles do not smoke. Is that not good
role modeling? You would think so, but no - my eldest daughter aged 15
and 11 months has started smoking.
That is despite a very long family history of cancer (all four of my
grandparents, and my mother 12 years ago, my mother in law 18 months
ago, her sister 6 months earlier.) Heart attacks are also common in my
family, (my father 6 weeks ago, and his 3 brothers in the last 10
years), most of which have been definately linked to heavy smoking in
the past. If that is not enough to deter someone from smoking, I don`t
know what is.
> But I've also met a
> good few smokers who will refuse point blank to consider the people who
> have to share air space with them. They, together with the ones who are
> more considerate but have no desire to stop, greatly outnumber the ones
> in your situation.
I have also known very considerate smokers (ie they ask if they can
light up in front of you, and make sure they do not blow the smoke your
direction), and some very inconsiderate smokers who don`t care who they
breath over.
Why is it that I can put up with and tolerate the considerate smokers,
but not the inconsiderate ones?
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:55:27 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Winning is the Only Safety
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 05:58:00PM -0800, PATTI McCLELLAN wrote:
> > Is there any way for someone like me, who has acces only to
> > e-mail, but not to the internet proper, to get the above story off the
> > Highlander Archive? If not, I'll just wait. One day, it will happen.
> > I believe! Honest I do!
>
> I have now put this on the Welkin information server, which is a very
> simple mail-server 'bot on this machine.
> To retrieve the file you send mail to
> info@welkin.apana.org.au
> with the Subject: line *exactly* like this:
> Subject: send file works/witos1.txt
> and the little program will mail the file back to you.
> And you can then read it. (-8
Hope you don`t mind, but I`ve used the info above as well.
I quite like Highlander as well, not so much recently as it has clashed
with something else, and I was outvoted.
GRRRRRRR! Who pays the bills in this house?
Oh! I don`t. ooooppps.
Bye
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:53:43 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Winning is the Only Safety
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On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 08:55:27PM +0000, Jackie wrote:
> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 05:58:00PM -0800, PATTI McCLELLAN wrote:
> > > Is there any way for someone like me, who has acces only to
> > > e-mail, but not to the internet proper, to get the above story off the
> > > Highlander Archive? If not, I'll just wait. One day, it will happen.
> > > I believe! Honest I do!
> >
> > I have now put this on the Welkin information server, which is a very
> > simple mail-server 'bot on this machine.
> > To retrieve the file you send mail to
> > info@welkin.apana.org.au
> > with the Subject: line *exactly* like this:
> > Subject: send file works/witos1.txt
> > and the little program will mail the file back to you.
> > And you can then read it. (-8
>
>
> Hope you don`t mind, but I`ve used the info above as well.
Don't mind at all, the info server is there for anyone. Which is
fine, I noticed four requests for it today.
However it is very simple-minded, and will not correct your typos for
you. So if you get a "file not found" message returned to you, ten to
one you mis-typed the request.
> I quite like Highlander as well, not so much recently as it has clashed
> with something else, and I was outvoted.
You're lucky. I have to get tapes from overseas. Grrrr.
Kathryn Andersen
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