From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #309 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/309 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 309 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System... [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Re: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Re: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes Re: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... RE: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... RE: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin? [B7L] costume/props database [B7L] Oldbury power station Re: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes [B7L] music Re: [B7L] music [B7L] SORRY [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #308 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:21:07 -0000 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System... Message-ID: <016901bf23ef$83c8e400$d72f63c3@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una said, in a private message (but lets not open that can again) >Hi Andrew, >Did this only come to me, as opposed to the whole list? >Una possibly an incorrect delete on the reply to all option, and it didn't go to the list, unlike this message. Sorry people. I hope you don't mind Una, but here is the conversation for all to see. >> >Andrew wrote: >> >> I agree totally with Servalans desk, but the full analogy is to send Vila >> >> and series 4 Dayna to space command alone, >> > >> >> Then Una said.. >> >On the grounds that they're the very shite ones, presumably. >> and I said..... No, on the grounds 1) they were incorrectly treated as shite in StarDrive, so a lot of people would think as you just did. but mainly 2) Dayna is young and came from nowhere (cf a hobbit). Vila is a thief (cf a particular hobbit). They are often overlooked (particularly by script writers in series 4). Servalan would scoff at them, and not believe they had the ring. etc etc. >> Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:40:02 -0000 From: "Mark Ryland" To: "Birmingham" , , "Arthur's List" <00afe00chatlist00@onelist.com>, , "Casualty" , "EastEnders Mailing List" , , , "pwl mailing list" , "AllNicolaB" Subject: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Message-ID: <001c01bf23f1$085a7660$1b43883e@pbn-computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Someone just sent me this press release - thought it might interest some of you: UK poised for free Internet revolution A new service called SMI FreeNet™, is due to launch in the United Kingdom later this year, offering for the first time wholly free Internet access with no monthly bills or call charges. People using the service dial up using a 0800 number, which is free. They will get a free web space, email accounts, and unlimited free surfing of the net. The service will be funded entirely by a small advertisement, 60 pixels high, at the bottom of the web browser window. Advertisers will pay every time their advert is shown on a users screen. It is expected millions of people will join the service, making it the largest ISP in the country by the end of the year 2000. http://www.smi-group.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: 01 Nov 1999 06:21:19 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Ryland writes: > Someone just sent me this press release - thought it might interest > some of you: It was in no way related to the TV series "Blake's 7" or its fandom, and therefore *not* something that should have been sent to this list. Never do that again. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:42:58 -0700 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes Message-ID: <8yUYEKAyHUG4EwM$@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message , Judith Proctor writes >I disagree. I think fewer people heard it on the radio (it was less well >publicised) so if they saw it in a shop they would have to judge whether to >buy it by the first episdoe. I missed the broadcast of the second play becaus I was in the US. I considered buying the CD, but the first one was so dire that I decided not to bother. Incidentally, I still haven't listened to the tape of the first one - the cellophane is intact. I bought it before the broadcast, didn't get a chance to listen to it, then decided half way through the broadcast I'd much rather read a new zine than keep listening to that dreadful mockery. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 06:54:40 -0000 From: "Jakx" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Message-ID: <001e01bf2435$f94b6e00$4c29883e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mark, I shall be looking forward to the launch. Its about time the internet was made completely free to the Brits. I shall be able to have a look at all those B7 related sites that at present I can`t afford to look at when I have one eye permenantly on the clock, and an ever rising phone bill. Jakx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:30:40 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <000a01bf2439$a1ef17c0$3d17ac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: >> I seem to remember that Zen appeared to have access to Federation data >> bases. Answers like "Federation exploring party reported" and "according to >> Federation report" are what I'm thinking of. So what does this mean ? > >Which episodes are you thinking of? I do agree that Zen might have had access >to anything broadcast as public information/propaganda. Volcano, I believe. >a passing thought. Central control was moved '30 years ago' (though there is >good evidence to suggest that travis was lying when he said that). If Ensor >developed Tariel cells around 30 years ago, did Star One actually use tariel >cells? Orac (the episode) tells us that Ensor went into hiding forty years previously, not thirty. (There is some contradiction in other episodes, Ensor jnr talking abut 'thirty years of independence' to Maryatt in Deliverance, and Avon telling Dorian that Ensor spent the last twenty years of his life in hiding. I tend to take Orac as the definitive episode in this regard, though, since the cited 40-year span is correlated with other events in Ensor's life history). If we go by a 40-year period on Aristo, then Ensor's invention of the tarial cell predates the removal of Central Control from Earth. In fact, the tarial cell is almost certainly more than 40 years old, since Ensor invented it when he was just 18. When he left for Aristo he had a 4 year old son. We could draw up a putative timeline thus: present - Blake acquires Orac 30 yrs ago - Central Control removed from Earth, according to Travis. (He needn't have been lying, since Control might indeed have been moved but not directly to Star One.) 40 yrs ago - Ensor has his massive heart attack and goes into hiding with Babby Ensor (poor old Mrs Ensor doesn't even seem to get an invite). 50? yrs ago - Ensor the Wunderkind invents the tarial cell (or nicks it from the System). And I think we can safely put a plus/minus three years or so to all those time references, since I doubt they're intended to be precise. There's no reason timewise why Star One shouldn't use tarial cells, since the removal of Control from Earth comes after the invention of the tarial cell. That still doesn't tell us what the f### a tarial cell might be, though. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:28:12 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator List Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F8487D6@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Large data base systems are sometimes > very reluctant to > upgrade. Hands up all those who thought Cobol would be > extinct by now... I should hope not, I make my living programming in that lingo. And not only that, but the place where I work still uses an IDMS database. They are planning to replace that with DB2, but that has more to do with the exorbitant amount of money that Computer Associates asks for the rights to use IDMS than with a desire to modernize. The old stuff may look dopey compared to some of the snazzy stuff that's on the market today, but most of the time it's also several times faster. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:29:53 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] NEWSFLASH! Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F8487D8@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jakx wrote: > Thanks Mark, I shall be looking forward to the launch. > Its about time the internet was made completely free to the Brits. > I shall be able to have a look at all those B7 related sites that at > present I can`t afford to look at when I have one eye > permenantly on the clock, and an ever rising phone bill. That still doesn't make the original message B7 related. It should have been sent to the spin list. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:32:53 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin? Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F8487DA@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Me, then Hellen: > >Possibly, but I think he was just trying to be a good > >computer and dropped > >that behaviour only under great stress. > > That's even better! I prefer to consider Zen as an person, > than just a > machine and like to think, that he had *pretended* to be "a > good computer" > instead of personality - for passenger's convenience. Hmm, I think pretending is too strong a word here. It's more like the masks we all wear when dealing with others. We only drop those under great stress, and sometimes not even then. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:04:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] costume/props database Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII There's been enough interest for this to definitely go ahead. It'll probably be slow initially because I want to get reference photos of items wherever possible. If you can let me have photos of any items you own, this would be appreciated. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:01:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Oldbury power station Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The trip to Oldbury power station is now on for definite. The tour around the power station starts at 5.00 on Saturday, November 27 and takes around 2 hours (we're getting a tour all to ourselves). Afterwards we'll be having a meal at the Anchor Inn in Oldbury. I'm told that a meal there costs around 5.99 and that the food is good. Everyone is welcome - Oldbury is in the Bristol area in case you were wondering. Please tell me asap if you want to come as both the power station and the pub like to know numbers in advance. I'm hoping that a friend will be bringing along a few original props/costumes associated with one of the episodes shot at Oldbury. The power station featured as a Federation complex in Time Squad. The interior was used for the inside of Spaceworld in 'Redemption'. The exterior of the power station is a Q-base from 'Killer' and this episode also used some tunnels. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:53:39 +0000 From: Steve Kilbane To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes Message-Id: <199911011253.MAA21401@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Julia wrote: > I missed the broadcast of the second play becaus I was in the US. I > considered buying the CD, but the first one was so dire that I decided > not to bother. which is probably why the figures are as they are: not because of lack of interest in B7, but because of disgust at what the Beeb claims to be B7. I suspect the Beeb probably just thinks we were pretending to want it back now... steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:46:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] music Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just watched the end of the last episode of Due South and they fnished by playing Stan Rogers' Northwest Passage and I nearly cried. That song has enormous resonance for me and was so fitting. And yet it's horses for courses. I can not think of anything better than the absolute silence that came at the very end of Blake's 7. That long pause before the gunshots began over the closing credits. Music would have been wrong there. Stan was a Canadian folk singer and wrote some of the best folk songs of all time. I long ago mentally chose one of his songs for Blake's 7. Anyone who knows his work will realise that it had to be 'The Mary Ellen Carter'. It's a song about a ship that went down in the Great Lakes and the crew who refused to let her rust on the bottom. As long as we remember the show, as long as we find meaning in it, as long as we tell others about it, it isn't dead. I ended up using a different tune on my filk tape for copyright reasons, but here's the original version of the filk I wrote - THE SPIRIT OF THE SEVEN by Judith Proctor Tune: "The Mary Ellen Carter" by Stan Rogers She blew up just off Terminal, that ship of speed and grace, No more will Liberator sail the endless depths of space, Corroded by organic muck, her systems could not cope, And finally we knew there was no hope. Her crew were not on board her when she finally met her end, But Zen, you know we‘ll miss you, machine and yet a friend, The hurt we felt when you were gone, it caused us to proclaim, That the spirit of the seven would live again: Live again, live again, That their names not be lost to the knowledge of men, And those who loved them best and who were with them to the end, Will make the spirit of the seven live again. She came down hard on Gauda Prime, she‘ll never fly again, When Scorpio crash landed, our hopes were all in vain, Smashed beyond redemption, with her pilot just alive, Her crew had teleported to survive. Slave said farewell to Tarrant, just before his power died, Though crawly and obsequious, we‘ll miss him on our side, Orac‘s fate was never known, that electronic brain, May help the spirit of the seven live again. Live again, etc. Gan died leaving Central, ”I‘m not worth dying for•, He got trapped under rubble, when he stayed to hold a door, Cally died on Terminal, alone Blake‘s name she cried, And Jenna hit the self destruct and died. Vila died a hero, and Dayna just got shot, We saw Soolin and Tarrant fall, as troopers shot the lot, Avon‘s death was linked to Blake‘s which surely caused him pain, Now let the spirit of the seven live again. Live again, etc. And maybe I wrote it just a little for Stan too. By the time I discovered his music, he was already dead, killed in an air crash at the height of his career. As long as his songs are still sung, I guess he's out there somewhere too, along with Zen and Blake and Avon and all the others. Let their names not be lost to the knowledge of men. Judith PS. I apologise for being incredibly sentimental this evening. Maybe we all need to wallow once in a while. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:27:08 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] music Message-ID: <19991101202708.61605.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Judith wrote: need to wallow once in a while.> We do (handing across virtual box of tissues). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:18:21 -0000 From: "Mark Ryland" To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: [B7L] SORRY Message-ID: <006301bf24ae$e25b31c0$0d8d883e@pbn-computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry about the spam mail. I hadn't meant to send it to this list, but I had accidentally sent it to this one by mistake. I offer my sincere apologies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:59:59 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #308 Message-ID: <381E6FCF.791B@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Think he's more of a Faramir. I was really thinking actors more than > characters, and Steven's still young enough to do Faramir, though Paul's a > bit old for Boromir. In time, he might make an exciting Denethor, though. > And Michael Keating would be good as one of the hobbits. I haven't grasped > much of the current LoR film casting except Liv Tyler as one of any number > of the females. A more encouraging rumour suggested Cate Blanchett is > going to be Galadriel. If Jan Chappell were younger, I'd be plugging her > for Eowyn. > Paul Darrow for Wyrmtongue. *That* would be a great, scene-stealer role for him. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #309 **************************************